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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, this is exactly what that scene is trying to convey.

That... this dude is weirdly interested in 'co-worker music', he's like, aggressively bland... and then he fucking snaps.

Hell, Bateman even literally says that one of their albums was too mainstream, too generic.

Bateman is totally vapid and hollow inside, and is desperately trying to find meaning, evoke an actually interesting response, but all he knows how to do is pantomime a cariacature of the perfect wall street socialite type.

So, you carry that forward, and the analogy works out to roughly: everyone whose entire life is wholly about fitting in to corpo culture, keeping up with the jones's, everyone who is a 'coworker music' type of NPC automaton, 'my personality is a couple Tiktok trends' type person...

... they all have the potential to have this same Bateman style psychotic break, if they ever become... self-aware enough of their own lack of actual, genuine identity.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago

Maybe I didn't understand the scene, when I watched it I assumed he had planned to kill the guy all along and that was just stuff Bateman was saying to make him think everything was normal

[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He did obviously plan the murder ahead, seeing as the room is covered in newspapers and plastic. But the theme of Bateman's vanity and cluelessness runs throughout the film and especially, much more so, the novel.

Bateman later goes to Allen's apartment, iirc to make it look like Allen went away on a trip. The book has this passage, that afaik didn't make it to the film: “I have a mild panic attack seeing that Allen's apartment is nicer than mine.”

You know how he occasionally cites the brands of clothes he's wearing, or whatever else? The novel is pretty much half endless brand-dropping, interspersed with the gore. After a while on that merry-go-round, the reader is equally nauseous from both.

Funny thing, someone once noted in a discussion like this, that if the reader actually knows eighties' fashion brands, it's clear that all the VPs in the book dress like clowns. Specifically, if it was reflected in the film, all of them would look like Luis Carruthers (the gay guy).

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't disagree, that is the more direct way to understand the scene from uh... like a perspective of 'what is happening, why is it happening', in relation to how the plot functions and progresses.

But if you go a bit deeper, into 'why is the author having the plot work like this, why has the author used/created this kind of a character, what, if anything, is the message or lesson or moral they are trying to convey'... I guess my first comment is how I answer those kinds of questions.

Writing a plot that makes sense and is at least logically consistent, possible/plausible, that's one thing.

Another thing is to do that, but in such a way that the specific plot beats, character decisions, they're all designed to ultimately convey a more complex idea by illustrating an engaging scenario that demonstrates it, as opposed to just directly stating that moral or lesson.

Of course, media analysis/critique is always subjective.

I just didn't preface my entire first comment with 'Well, I think that...' or 'In my opinion...', partially because I am autistic and tend to be blunt, but also partially because it comes across as more certain and confident, and is thus slightly more convincing, rhetorically.

So that right there is me trying to demonstrate my kind of analysis of author intent... on myself.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Makes sense, I overall agree, I'm mostly just unsure about the idea of a "snap", "break" or gaining self awareness, as opposed to something more passive. It's been a while since I saw the movie though and I didn't read the book so I can't make much of an argument about it.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Oh I'm not trying to say that the book/movie is trying to say everyone will go through a kind of violent psychosis upon gaining enough self awareness... just that its a potential.

Kinda like stochastic terrorism... stochastic psychopathic terroristic burnout?

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

You forgot to start by asking if I like Brett Easton Ellis.

[-] TheLamb 46 points 2 months ago

Fucking good reference

[-] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Motherfucker got me in the end right there, I'll tell you that!

[-] rustyfish@piefed.world 21 points 2 months ago

Motherfucker…You got me.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do ya like Huey Lewis and the News? Do ya like jazz??

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Do you like movies about gladiators?

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

Have you ever been to a Turkish prison?

[-] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

[-] criss_cross@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I bet the bastards business cards are “bone” colored as well.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Hey, Hip to be Square is an eighties masterpiece, and my six year old self will fite you

[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

The heart of rock n roll is the beat, man.

[-] Angrydeuce@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Prolly had to go return some videotapes...

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago
[-] AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago
[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

I like opiate better than any of their later stuff. I'm the guy maynard is bitching about in "hooker with a penis"

[-] AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Woah I've never knowingly been messaged by a famous person! Now I'm going to have to listen to the song

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

I mean that's 80 claymation 15 vibes

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