Iran should include demanding the release of all Epstein documents.
Iran should demand Trump himself be turned over to stand trial
Probably get better results taking Netanyahu, but they should really do both.
They would just do the whole “we don’t negotiate with terrorists spiel”
Iran is a UN recognized state. They aren't terrorists.
The US is, too, but its government is clearly terrorists.
That might ultimatelly be good for America and Americans, so why would Iran ever do something like that?
I mean, if America was a society with humanitarian values were what's happenned now with Trump was an exception, it would make sense, but historically the US has been in war most of its existence, of late most of it being in the Middle East causing the deaths of millions of civilians, and very few people in the US were actually against it as a question of principle and even now most are only against it because "American money", "American lives" or "Gas prices in America" so it's clearly not a society of good people who normally uphold good values and is just momentarilly under the control of evil people.
The US is not a society where most people think that innocent lives are sacred, be it at home or abroad.
Because it’s basically a big “Fuck You” to Trump that they know he will never willingly agree to. So a tit-for-tat to Trump’s insane and unrealistic demands for Iran.
Trump would happily throw us all at killbots before that happened
Seeing how well Iran did actually close and keep selectively closed the Strait of Hormuz it seems fair to give them the sovereignty.
Iran is on one side of the strait, Oman is on the other. Giving Iran sovereignty would mean taking away sovereignty from Oman. Countries are supposed to be able to control their own coastlines and territorial waters.
The strait is narrow enough that there is no buffer of international waters in the middle at its narrowest. Giving one country sovereignty of the whole strait would mean violating the the sovereignty of another. Not a fair proposition.
The UAE or Oman could probably do that as well if they wanted to.
Not really. You basically have to be either a superpower or a pariah state to do something like this and not be immediately pummeled into oblivion.
They could just target any ships from or to Iranian ports or of nations which support Iran with artillery or drones.
It's exactly because it's so stupidly easy to attack civilian ships in a space like that whilst it's very hard to defend against it that Iran is able to do so even whilst under attack by American and Israel, so the country on the other side could do the same thing and only target Iranian or Iran-related ships.
Two can play the "fuck the other side's ship" game there.
Exactly. 90% of Iran's oil leave by sea, via Kharg island.
If Iran turns to piracy by threatening "pay or we sink your ships" at all other nations, then all other nations should just confiscate all Iran's ships in return.
Oil revenues are 35% of Iran's budget. This should not be a can of worms that Iran wants to open.
There's this clunky thing standing in the way of that, called international law.
What, we suddenly give a shit about that again?
Just when the "bad guys" are breaking it, when it's our guys, breaking stupid international law is OK.
So both the US and Iran are breaking international law against each other.
But Iran is also breaking the right given by international law against neutral nations in this conflict. By restricting their right to shipping. Those nations have every moral and legal right to complain about Iran.
Yeah launching a perfidious war of aggression is a flagrant breach of Article 2 of the UN charter. Bombing nuclear sites, schools, hospitals and energy infrastructure are all grave war crimes but nobody gives a shit about that in Western media apparently.
Let's not even get into the genocide happening in Gaza.
International law only seems to animate the West when they're lecturing brown people.
Stockholm syndrome much?
Yeah, I'm sure Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE and Oman would be thrilled to see Trump and Netanyahu effectively cede control of the entire Strait over to their rival. Especially when they've wanted zero part to play in this conflict.
And it's so blindingly obvious that Trump started this whole spat in the first place to skyrocket oil prices and give an excuse to buy Russian oil and prop up Putin's failing war machine.
Trump at this point is like a giant fat fucking toddler and we're here to clean up his mess.
Trump started this whole spat in the first place to skyrocket oil prices and give an excuse to buy Russian oil and prop up Putin's failing war machine.
Trump at this point is like a giant fat fucking toddler
Which is it? Evil mastermind or mentally handicapped?
A mentally handicapped person can still receive instructions from others.
Most people are concerned he's a Russian asset because Russia has something on him. Not because he's ideologically or philosophically aligned with them.
Yes
The UAE and Oman should take the most chaotic approach possible. They should ALSO start blowing up ships in the Straight and demanding they pay tolls!
This is the proposal that should be offered to Iran. Iran will be permitted to pursue its nuclear program as long as it's for peaceful purposes. Iran will be strictly monitored for compliance. Any violation will result in invasion by the US, Europe, and any other nations willing to join in. If Iran agrees to the proposal, all sanctions will be immediately lifted. It's unnecessary for Iran to have sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz. If sanctions are lifted, Iran will be making money from oil and other exports. Unlike Trump's 15-point peace plan, mine is simple.
I can't tell if you're taking the piss at the agreement made under Obama or if you're actually serious.
If my proposal resembles Obama's that's fine. Accept his. My desire is for peace.
Who do you think attacked first and, more importantly, why do you think Iran tried to get nukes in first place?
I would prefer a UN-style nuclear agency that builds and maintains power-generating facilities independent of geo politics.
Their goal should be to provide power anywhere that isn’t completely unstable and the receiving country has to amend their constitution to acknowledge that the power gets turned off if they fuck around.
Who decides who “fucks” around? If it’s for humanitarian purposes why not the power stays if there’s a human on the other end using it.
Iirc two largest manufacturers of reactors are China and Russia. Plus you need to buy the fuel, with post-Soviet countries, especially Kazakhstan, being the largest exporters. Good luck with the independence from geopolitics.
Innovative idea but who would pay for the reactors and remove the radioactive waste?
We already do things like this for other areas such as defense, healthcare, etc.
This is basically just the Obama Iran deal. It was working pretty much exactly like this until Trump tore it up and began in multiple rounds attacking Iran.
After this war, Iran has no reason to sign such a deal especially since Trump and Israel will just tear it up whenever they want. Iran needs security guarantees which your deal doesn't provide.
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