I mean, the Federation was only founded after a world war decimated the human population. And I also think, looking at our world, that we are more likely to be the mirror dimension anyway.
we are more likely to be the mirror dimension anyway.
We should all do routine checks to make sure we don't have goatees, excessive eyeliner, or suddenly start wearing sexy clothing.
.....i have a goatee oh god
That means there's a non-evil version of you out there somewhere!
...Imma fuck his mom.
Shit, that's how I dress every day...
Just to be clear star trek also had a nuclear war
And the Whales go extinct. The Star Trek timeline isn't as bright and cheery as most people believe. The franchise has always been collapse-aware, its just not front and center. Gene Roddenberry just envisioned that post capitalist collapse (And with the discovery of intelligent alien life) that humanity would be able to rebuild better from the ashes.
And only embraced space communism when they invented (got access to? I'm not a Trekkie) a device that can literally make anything from anything, resulting in a post scarcity society and no need for work.
And time travelers who fought off time traveling space cyborgs to protect them.
This is incorrect. Luxury Gay Space Communism came first. It was embraced widely after the discovery of intelligent alien life united Humanity. The Replicator only became wide-spread in the time between The Original Series and The Next Generation. Even then there were other cultures with access to replicators that weren't "Communist" such as the Ferengi and Cardassians. Equality has to be valued for a society to be truly post-scarcity.
I think the whole lack of sustainable fusion thing may be a slightly larger factor than capitalism.
I recommend the book Trekonomics if you want to challenge this notion. Basically, technologies like sustainable fusion, replicators, etc, are the result of a post-scarcity leave-no-one-behind philosophy, rather than its prerequisites.
So close it sounds like it'll be happening in our lifetime.
I think it's sounded like that for the past 40 years, but I am hopeful.
I also noticed that religion was absent from most of the star trek stories, and usually, if at all, was associated with an underdeveloped culture, and they would most likely be warlike and a threat.
Did you not watch Deep Space 9?
Yep, they pretty clearly stated that humanity had moved beyond religion, money, enslaving animals for meat (Riker's words), etc.
Whenever they wanted to show this stuff, they had to run into another civilization.
To blame capitalism for the lack of a Star Trek future is to fundamentally misunderstand why capitalism is the way it is.
Capitalism isn't some evil calamity that fell from the sky. Human beings created it. No matter what system you make, we will inevitably corrupt it so long as selfishness and greed are hardwired into our primate brains. Communism, socialism, capitalism, whatever. They all need hard rules to work because humans will turn any system into a way to enrich themselves, and given time, they will even erode the rules to do it.
For every extraordinary bit of technology or otherworldly space entity or reality shattering cosmic event to ever show up in Star Trek, the single most unbelievable thing about it is the notion that the human race could ever, collectively, and permanently forego their selfish instincts. Its a society that only works if the human race changes itself on a fundamental, evolutionary level, and does so in unison. Because as long as any human feels a desire for more than they have, or the desire to protect what they do have, we'll never achieve that.
humans being inherently selfish and greedy is literally a capitalist lie though, like that's really really obviously not true if you look at how generous and willing to sacrifice themselves for someone else people are.
People aren't necessarily selfish, but they are tribal. They'll go above and beyond for the people they know. Their family, friends, neighbours,...
But this sympathy is rarely extended to people further away. From different towns, countries,...
I believe most people are not purely selfish, but selfish people do seem to do extremely well under capitalism. (Not making any statements on other economic systems though)
right, and this is why it's so important that we have systems that take in mind how humans work.
Capitalism is horrendous for this reason, it explicitly and directly incentivizes the worst parts of humanity and results in a downward spiral of selfishness and dehumanization.
So what’s the excuse of the Soviet Union and China?
you do realize china is a capitalist dictatorship, and the soviet union was also turned into a dictatorship, right?
Pointing at dictatorships and acting like they're some amazing gotcha for an ideology they claim to follow is something even elementary grade school kids realize is dumb.
China wasn’t capitalist under Mao.
And yeah that’s kinda my point. You cannot have socialism without a dictatorship. That’s like explicitly in Marx’s writings. The term is dictatorship of the proletariat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat
It’s a fundamental cornerstone of Marxism. A dictatorship with a monopoly on force is necessary to transition from a capitalist society to a communist society by forcibly seizing the means of production and using force to prevent counterrevolution.
The problem is that once you give that dictatorial power to a state, you can’t get it back.
Maybe when we live in a post singularity society where everything we want can be printed for free.
If by post scarcity you mean Western workers produce seven times more value in goods than they consume over their lifetime, guess what?
Don't worry though, we still have forty more years of nuclear genocide to meet the deadline.
That’s why we rely on Asian slaves and indentured Mexican servitudes to keep us on the top.
That's for the love of the game, not a necessity.
We already have enough for everyone, if we just toned it down a bit.
Imagine if the Enterprise was constructed by the lowest bidding government contractor.
Also: Why aren't we at least the Farenghi?
When reporters asked (Alan) Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, ‘The fact that every part of this ship was built by the lowest bidder.’
Beautiful quote
No alien species will sell us warp.
I like to think, that Star Trek and Fallout play in the same universe/timeline
It does work. Way more than any communist or socialist ideals
Socialism has never truly been realized bc capitalists and tyrants ruin it every time SMH. Late stage capitalism is a terrible system and we should be doing everything we can to prevent them from consolidating power to make what little democracy we have left a full blown dictatorship.
I think we're going to have to pick up at least some socialist/communist ideals as time goes on. AI and automation is going to force our hand at some point.
I think we should do so as a people, voluntarily.
Well, we've never seen actual Marxist communism in practice, and Nordic countries seem to be doing pretty well with a bit of socialsm.
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