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Elon Musk has until the end of Wednesday to respond to demands from Brussels to remove graphic images and disinformation linked to the violence in Israel from his social network X — or face the full force of Europe's new social media rules.

Thierry Breton, the European Union commissioner who oversees the bloc's Digital Services Act (DSA) rules, wrote to the owner of X, formerly Twitter, to warn Musk of his obligations under the bloc's content rules.

If Musk fails to comply, the EU's rules state X could face fines of up to 6 percent of its revenue for potential wrongdoing. Under the regulations, social media companies are obliged to remove all forms of hate speech, incitement to violence and other gruesome images or propaganda that promote terrorist organizations.

Since Hamas launched its violent attacks on Israel on October 7, X has been flooded with images, videos and hashtags depicting — in graphic detail — how hundreds of Israelis have been murdered or kidnapped. Under X's own policies, such material should also be removed immediately.

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[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 137 points 2 years ago

This is some "quality" reporting. Nowhere does the EU says to remove "graphic violent images", it's only asking for transparency in what gets removed and the removal of disinformation and calls to violence.

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago

Getting rid of misinformation is great.

Getting rid of accurately reported, gruesome images because of a government mandate flies in the face of the core principles of free speech. And it would cause real damage to the world.

Remember that it was only when the world actually saw images of the Nazi concentration camps that the world actually believed it. They'd heard about it for years, but it was largely ignored.

[-] Tarte@kbin.social 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Getting rid of misinformation is great.

That is the goal. The OP article and especially the headline here is misleading.

This is what is in the original letter regarding violent images: „repurposed old images of unrelated armed conflicts or military footage that actually originated from video games“.

The issue is not violent images per se. The issue is misinformation through violent images that are unrelated to the current events.

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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago

I respect that but the images presented to the public were selected to denounce and illustrate horrendous acts commited.

Here, I'd risk there is a very high risk/probability whatever may be leaked/posted is for pure shock value, with no intention to inform or contextualize.

[-] davysnavy@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Intent doesn't matter. People should be allowed to document and post crimes committed against humanity

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 60 points 2 years ago

Or what lol. Rich people are above the law.

[-] Spedwell@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago

I'm glad to see for once the fines are proportional to revenue, and not a fixed amount. 6% hurts.

[-] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Will it hurt though? How are they going to collect the 6%? Do US based banks cooperate with the EU on this kind of thing? What happens if Musk just tells them to go fuck themselves?

[-] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago

I assume EU-based ISPs will be forced to ban access to the website for noncompliance, otherwise it would have literally no teeth whatsoever

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If that is Net Revenue, I have some bad news for the EU. 🤣🤣🤣

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 69 points 2 years ago

I think you're thinking of profits, which is revenue minus costs.

EU fines are a percentage of global revenue, which means all the money you make in any way, anywhere in the world, before subtracting any bullshit.

[-] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which was $4.4 billion in 2022 and is estimated to be roughly $3 billion for 2023, so the maximum fine would be 180-264 million depending on which figure is used.
For comparison, the net loss (not profit) for 2022 for twitter was 270 million.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 14 points 2 years ago

Per occasion, and the Commission can also create a moderation enforcement team specifically for Twitter, basically forcing Twitter to have moderation, and put the cost of said moderation on Twitter, as charges separate to the fine.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 years ago

He's gonna fuck this up, too.

[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

He won't, we all know he won't. He'd sooner get Twitter banned from Europe than actually try to improve his platform.

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[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's irking to limiting press freedom if gruesome photos and videos are forbidden. That ain't good, EU!

Edit: for all the dumb fucks downvoting me... Where the fuck did I say anything about fake news and propaganda?

Anyone has an idea what turned the American people against the Vietnam war? Exactly. Horrible videos and photos. That's how the world learns about immoral horrors. And Nazi concentrationi camp photos in all the Nazi German newspapers early on would have changed the course of ww2. But there weren't any published photos...

2nd Edit: important context I missed: from https://feddit.nl/comment/3638132

The only images the EU asked to have removed are images from unrelated conflicts and video games portrayed as geniune images of the current events, so blatant disinformation.

It's in the request made by the EU. The Politico article made up the part where all graphic images are to be removed.

[-] rentar42@kbin.social 100 points 2 years ago

Get out of here with your silly US-centric idea of "absolute free speech". Pretty much every civilized country in the world has boundaries to what is considered acceptable.

And even the US does (though they are fewer than elsewhere, granted).

But for some reason the US has produced this myth that absolute freedom of speech (which it doesn't have) somehow is the best possible choice (which it isn't).

[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

A free press is hardly a US-centric idea.

[-] rentar42@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It isn't and it's a good idea.

But somehow the US doesn't seem to be as good at having one as they might want to think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

It's not terrible in that index, but it's below most European countries.

Edit: or maybe you prefer an index by a US instituation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_Press_(report) the ranking looks pretty similar, though.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Under the regulations, social media companies are obliged to remove all forms of hate speech, incitement to violence and other gruesome images or propaganda that promote terrorist organizations.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago

The gruesome images part is only said by Politico. Read the original open letter. The EU is not complaining about the images hurting their sensibilities by being too gruesome, but that they are either from different conflicts or straight up from video games.

The EU is not offended by the gruesomeness of the images, but by the fact that they are lies. Politico is reporting inaccurately at best on this.

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[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago

The EU isn't saying that violent photos are to be removed. The letter is asking for removal of disinformation and transparency into what gets removed.

Politico seems to have made up the part you're complaining about.

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Is his goal to get the app banned from Europe?

I could see that being the business plan.

[-] tiziodcaio@feddit.it 12 points 2 years ago

It would be great! Europe will be better without x

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[-] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago

A porn actress was made accountable for similar actions in less time and with more impact.

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[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago

Has it been 24 hrs yet?

[-] NekoKamiGuru@ttrpg.network 16 points 2 years ago

Purging the images off social media will make it easier to deny that the atrocities ever happened. Keep them there in all their gory uglyness , perhaps put a spoiler tag over them to prevent someone with a feeble constitution from accidentally stumbling onto them and accidentally being triggered , but leave them there as evidence of the evil that happened.

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Is this the thing that finally makes Musk feel some pain? You can't wiggle out of this one, EU law is pretty tight on this stuff.

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[-] moitoi@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago

The better would have been to ban Twitter. People and politics have to understand you can't talk with irrational people.

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[-] Wilibus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Any phrase, request or threat in the from of "do X or be subject to the rules" is inherently flawed.

Why not skip the asking part and go straight to the enforcing the rules part because they're, you know; the fucking rules.

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[-] atetulo@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Umm... why? Why are they censoring the truth?

This is how people don't take war seriously. All they do is hear about it, but don't see the gruesome reality.

[-] SpaceBishop@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 years ago

Why are they censoring the truth?

Oh, that must be really embarrassing, but...

graphic images and disinformation

Maybe work on your reading comprehension to make sure you don't embarrass yourself like that again.

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