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[-] Hegar@fedia.io 67 points 2 months ago

The rise of the far right is a complex global phenomenon with multiple contributing factors.

The commitment of all political elites in the US to relentlessly attack leftists leaves a smoother path for fascists, and i definitely think it's right to call out dems for this.

But the problem is much more than just a right to center-right party like the dems stifling leftists.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

To me, it boils down to what political alignment best suits the political money machine, and in a vacuum that will always be strong police, strong military, and a loose application of the laws that are meant to control their actions toward 99% of the population.

That may be simplistic as well, but the scrooge mcducks of this world have far more use for the bootheel than they do for the reallocation of their wealth to the great unwashed.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Dems haven't been center right in decades, they may be barely left of Republicans but center on the political scale does no move, only parties do. With the Overton window Dems have been far right for years

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

But how can american political discourse if not blame dems???

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 25 points 2 months ago

Sorry but no. The far right is on the rise globally, and as much as Muricans want to feel self-important, their cultural and political export has not yet reached a level where the actions (or in this case, inactions) of a domestic political party that doesn't even really align with any other party globally (given Dems consider themselves leftists when compared to actual alignment based on policies, they're firmly center-right to right), are not a direct contribution to it.

No, for example, the right rose in Europe in the wake of the immigration crisis starting ca. 2010 (compounded with the global crisis of 2007-08, which admittedly was caused by the US financial market), which in turn is a result of US interventionalism in the Middle East for the past, oh, thirty years (well, it was about 30 years in 2010), but especially the ramped up failed wars since 9/11, that only managed to destabilise the area enough so that a large swath of people would pick out whatever remained of their lives from the rubble and move towards the EU in hopes of a better, safer life.

That combined with the sitting, mostly center-left governments' complacency in most EU countries, has led to a major humanitarian crisis that left the poorest of most EU countries' feel neglected, and now that same layer was enthralled by the far right, that used the ongoing support of immigrants as the kernel of truth in their web of lies, convincing swathes of people.

So no, the Dems not being leftist enough isn't the reason the far right is on the rise globally. It hardly even contributed to it since even the most leftist presidents have continued to bomb the shit out of the Middle East. And when two-term presidents can't even wrap up wars their predecessors began in 8 years... that's not a policy issue anymore. That's straight up the system keeping the wars going because they're profitable, and no amount of extreme leftist policy is going to take that trash out.

[-] telllos@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

You clearly link a global far right rise with american imperialism, we wouldn't be there if the Democrats were truly on the left.

[-] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

That's obnoxiously simplified

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO isn't working out.

Let's pretend somehow the R party disappeared tomorrow... a new party would be formed, and they would do they exact same thing for the Democrats.

Because it's a tag team. Each needs the other to blame their failures on (the failure always being "what the people want").

Some approximate percentages on "what the people want" according to repeated polls for decades: 70% of voters want higher minimum wage... 70% of voters want term limits for reps... 80% of voters want to end insider trading... 70% of voters want universal healthcare... 80% want the rich to pay taxes again... and so on. Use your favorite source.

It doesn't matter. Our choices in this political system are "anti-union secular capitalists" vs. "anti-union theocratic capitalists", and "what the people want" is not a voting option.

I vote every election, and I often vote Democrat. But I realize it's more like another poll than an actual route to political change or reform.

On the bright side, the banks are very happy! If they invest in absolute shit, the taxpayers will always be there to "bail them out", over and over and over and over and over again.

I wonder if that's connected to inflation and lower standards of living and shorter lifespans? Meh, whatever. STOCK MARKET 50K BABY

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Trying to scare people off from voting with principle and warning of "splitting the votes" is a neoliberal propaganda. Canada and UK are also two-party systems, and yet they have third parties gaining seats. The now centre right British Labour Party tried to also do the same scaremongering in a by-election to dissuade voters from voting the Green Party, which took the torch of British leftism. And yet, the vote splitting didn't happen, and the Green Party won by a huge margin against the right wing Reform and Labour.

America could learn a lot, instead of listening to their mainstream media who brainwash their citizens of being corralled to think within an allowed narrative. I remember a Singaporean diplomat years ago, who made a comment that even though America is nominally a free country, he finds the news and discourse to be limited and insular-- which is practically the same as listening to state-run news in countries like China.

Although, this hasn't always been the case. One hundred years ago, third parties in America do get seats. I think the difference is that one hundred years ago, ordinary Americans were more politically proactive and engaged. One hundred years ago was the generation that ended the Gilded age and elected the Roosevelts. I don't know what happened but my suspicion is that after World War II, when the nation experienced enormous wealth and prosperity that previous generations never experienced before, Americans have become complacent.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I vote third party often (D too, R from time to time), and it's the quickest way to find out what Ds and Rs really think of "democracy" (which is contempt).

Meanwhile, socialists are the only reason we have minimum wage in the USA, they have been fighting for it since the early 1900s, libertarians and greens are the only reason we have legal weed, they've been working for that since the 1970s, and so on. Only after LOSING VOTES to third parties do the major parties even bother changing their platform to get an edge over the other.

Most Ds and Rs don't realize this, because it's not reported on, and many don't have any clue about what is happening beyond the very obvious.

I encourage people of all parties and platforms to become politically involved and see how things work, a few months of being a precinct committee officer (the lowest rung of the political ladder) will open many eyes.

Ds and Rs are not in the constitution, they are private organizations with their own selfish interests over and above representation. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that very popular initiatives are squashed by the majors whenever possible; 70% of voters want universal healthcare, for example. It doesn't matter what "the people" want.

Thanks for your post, I agree with it 100%.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What a bunch of bullshit. Trying to blame anyone on the left for anyone's behaviour on the right. This is, frankly, a crock of smelly shit.

OP's history is chock full of trying to blame the left for fascism. Blocking this fucking bullshit. You should be ashamed, OP. Fucking ashamed.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

anyone on the left

That DOESN'T include the Dem leadership.

That's a BIG part of the point that you're conveniently ignoring to further your ridiculous partisan agenda of holding neoliberal shills blameless for their inaction as the SUPPOSED opposition.

Not to mention their DECADES of actively siding with their owner donors over their constituency the vast majority of the time.

This is, frankly, a crock of smelly shit.

That's a good description of your defense of the Dem leadership, yes.

OP's history is chock full of trying to blame the ~~left~~ feckless SUPPOSED opposition for fascism

Fixed it for you.

You should be ashamed,

YOU should, apparatchik.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Democrats have never been on the left. That's the problem, they think they are but their actions say otherwise. They never take responsibility for the fuck ups they've caused, it is like an alcoholic refusing to acknowledge they are an addict. And until they do nothing will get better for them

And it's you that should be shamed of not being able to read community rules that say liberalism is not welcome in this leftist space

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Democrats have never been on the left

They have, actually. Just not within the lifetime of 99% of people living today.

[-] zabadoh@ani.social 7 points 2 months ago

I would blame it on the fracturing and proliferation of unregulated information sources, starting with unregulated cable TV, and then social media.

Simple stupid, but emotionally appealing messages like memes, spread faster than well reasoned and thought out arguments.

And far right propaganda excels at that.

Every radical movement has come with innovations in media: The printing press, newspapers, state propaganda, radio and television, and now social media.

And yeah, a lot of those waves ended in wars that resulted in regulation of media to keep the peace.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

And we can blame Democrats for that as well, before Clinton's telecom reform act, media was heavily regulated, who could own what, how much they could control, how much market share they could cover. The TRA got rid of all those barriers, that's how we went from hundreds of media owners and sources to 5 who can tightly control the message.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

People really have trouble grasping how much of Donald Trump is a direct result of Bill Clinton's presidency. And Reagan's too of course.

[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is a stupid post. Arguments, what are those? Evidence, what name so? I'll just make a really stupid statement without a shred of info to back it up.

"You know what really led to the rise of right wing extremism? Cats."

See, I can do it too. It's clearly the cats.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

Standard .world response to the obvious being pointed out.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

There is no evidence for cats, but a shit ton for Democrats.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Photographic evidence of cats:

But yeah, you're right about the other part

[-] cabillaud@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I see cats, I upvote.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

It's becoming clear to me that the best form of government would incorporate ideas from many different ideologies.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

That's like saying that a little bit of cancer is okay, just not too much. Because eventually the cancer will take over

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What did you think I meant by that? That we should incorporate facisim and a monarchy or something?

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I imagined some of that Nordic model bullshit

[-] dandelion 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yes, though hopefully this isn't intended to imply the Democrats played a larger role than the Republican party's efforts to eliminate leftist movements (esp. as the Democrats are currently the only electoral party standing in opposition to the far right)

EDIT: I don't know why I took the bait - I can't distinguish some of these accounts from trolls, so I'm just blocking and moving on ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ

[-] Melkath@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago

Still, in this darkest of American hours, all you can do is play "lesser evil".

Disgusting.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Complicity can never be opposition, and Democrats are complicit

[-] dandelion 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can't tell if you're thinking clearly ... Democrats are the only reason the anti-trans movement has been unable to pass legislation aimed at putting me in prisons and restricting my rights, Democrats are the only reason the current administration has been unable to even get a trans athletic ban passed

They are absolutely complicit, even in the anti-trans movement, but this kind of rigid and black-and-white thinking is genuinely unhelpful if you are at all invested in political outcomes.

Maybe you are insulated from those outcomes, but I am not - my entire life has been radically altered due to the success of the Republican party and their platform.

I am a leftist (not a liberal, not a Democrat), but despite being an anti-Democrat leftist, I also had to flee a Republican-controlled state because I feared for my life, was subject to genocidal practices like social death, and had my healthcare illegally denied. And where was the only refuge? A Democrat-controlled state whose laws protect me, guarantee my access to care, etc. - these laws matter, my life is on the line here, and you are going to claim this is nothing, that they're too complicit for this difference to count as "opposition" for you?

All I can think is that you are deeply unserious and sheltered from the political realities in this country.

Pragmatic cooperation with problematic allies is sometimes necessary for survival, I would argue electoral support of Democrats is an easy and minimal action anyone who cares about political outcomes should engage in.

Obviously it's important that our politics do not remain restricted to that single act of voting (or as liberals often do, only expanding that to donations to political campaigns); our political actions are much more relevant when organizing in the workplace and finding ways to use our power to apply pressure to achieve the outcomes that matter most (e.g. direct action, protests, etc.).

EDIT: It was probably a mistake spending time trying to explain the obvious to you, your other comments show that either your thinking is rather hindered, or you are not engaging in good faith and have ulterior motives (whether trolling, or undermining the alliances between leftists and liberals that strengthen the resistance against the right, either because you're a fascist yourself, or because you're a foreign actor - whether Israeli, Russian, Chinese, etc. - motivated by sowing dissent and distrust)

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Eventually you will see they use marginalized communities as disposable political pawns. We saw those cracks start to form with Harris. OUR acceptance in society has always come in peaks and troughs, we have been sliding into a trough for about 12 years and soon those you thought were allies will turn their back on you.

Republicans have only been in a position to be openly bigoted because spineless Dems that keep shifting to the right with them have allowed it to happen. Fucking Democrats cheered on Biden's RFMA, which places us back into a position of second class citizen once Obergefell gets overturned.

Democrats will pretend to care as long as they find you useful

You can't claim to be a leftist and advocate for aligning with capitalists

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Eventually you will see they use marginalized communities as disposable political pawns. We saw those cracks start to form with Harris. OUR acceptance in society has always come in peaks and troughs, we have been sliding into a trough for about 12 years and soon those you thought were allies will turn their back on you.

Republicans have only been in a position to be openly bigoted because spineless Dems that keep shifting to the right with them have allowed it to happen. Fucking Democrats cheered on Biden's RFMA, which places us back into a position of second class citizen once Obergefell gets overturned.

Democrats will pretend to care as long as they find you useful

There is no alliance between liberals and leftists because we don't want the same things, we are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Democrats are the covert fascist to the open Republican one

You can't claim to be a leftist while trying to align with capitalists.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This post is propaganda abolishing the right of its role in the war on leftist institutions.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It's Democrats that are fighting leftists not Republicans. It's Democrats that are defending Republican actions, not leftists

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Nah, democrats (used to) let minorities to be part of the status quo.

Leftists: "We need to do away with billionaires."

Democrats: "More ๐Ÿ‘ black ๐Ÿ‘ queer ๐Ÿ‘ disabled ๐Ÿ‘ billionaires! ๐Ÿ‘"

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

They have always tokenized marginalized communities

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