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Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto (forum.manjaro.org)
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[-] Veraxis@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Interesting. As a former Manjaro user (several years ago now), my problems with the distro were more with their approach to package management and the AUR. They withhold packages for the main repositories, but the dependencies for AUR packages will always assume the latest packages, so I would constantly get into these dependency deadlocks where I could not install or could not update certain AUR packages because the necessary dependencies were the incorrect version. I view this as a fundamental technical problem with their approach, and was my main reason for switching away.

Hopefully the new structure/leadership will result in technical changes which fix their issues. Though if I am being honest, the vision of a Manjaro with rolling packages is basically just a reskinned EndeavourOS, so I am not sure what they would need to do for me to recommend this distro to anyone.

[-] Undaunted@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago

This was exactly the same for me. Every Manjaro install I had broke sooner or later because of these dependency issues. After my 3rd or 4th try, I decided to switch to EndeavorOS which is extremely stable for me and serves me well for a couple of years now.

[-] Maragato@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I’ve used Manjaro and, over time, it’s left me without GRUB and without a graphical interface on several occasions – just as has happened with CachyOS, EndeavourOS, Arcolinux, and others. That’s why I no longer use Arch or Arch-based distributions. I admit that, in my opinion, Manjaro is the best Arch-based distribution, provided you don’t install anything from the AUR repository. The problem is that Pamac and some of Manjaro’s own tools don’t follow Arch’s dependency rules, so that mix of Manjaro’s own repositories and Arch’s original repositories can be a problem.

[-] Korkki@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I just avoid the AUR on Manjaro whenever possible. It still works 99% of the time. The few things I actually need to be bleeding edge I will just try to build from source.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

IMO they should have made this the official policy instead of adding optional support for the AUR in pamac.

At the end of the day, the AUR is just a pastebin full of pkgbuild files for people who know what they're doing. And as a distro aimed more at the average Linux user, rawdogging the AUR probably just shouldn't be part of the equation.

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[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Good.

As a long time Manjaro user is good to see something happening.

As to why I'm a Manjaro user: I installed it on my laptop years ago and it served me well, with only a couple of hiccups (the now famous SSL certificate issue and some repo keys that were broken), nothing too difficult to overcome but that points out some major organizational problems.

Other than that, it just works wonderfully and I'm too lazy to hop.

[-] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Manjaro is the distro that made me ditch Windows completely. I even bought a Tuxedo Laptop with Manjaro preinstalled a few years ago, and I almost never had any problem (this laptop is still my main device, and I never reinstalled the OS). I love this distro, but if the financial situation is bad enough for them to fire the only full-time developer, it's time to change things. If the community hard forks, I may follow. Or begin to distrohop.

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[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Acknowledging the issues and having a plan is a first good sign of trust. Executing is the other, so we'll see how this will going. I personally lost trust and interest into Manjaro and switched away. From personal experience, there were technical issues (caused by Manjaro), and social issues (didn't like the administration and project leader). But I hope they "recover" and be better, and survive.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

But why? Just pick a new name and fork, if there's something worth preserving in the distro contents. I don't understand what the something is though.

[-] Korkki@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But why? Just pick a new name and fork

They aren't stupid to abandon the brand and community just like that and start from nothing. The team plans to start a nonprofit that will work alongside and not under the current Manjaro company. They do say that if Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG declines, or the feel that they are dragging their heels (which they have done) they will start a strike. They are doing this rn. If that fails then they will just move to the next stage which is to leave and/or fork the project.

[-] Baleine@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago

That said, we have seen successful forks like this lately. CoMaps is a good example.

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[-] leviathan@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

I would say it's the branding, Manjaro is a good name for a distro, and it's known for making Arch stable.. It was loved once for a reason

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

But why? Just pick another arch or arch-based distro like Cachy, Endeavour or even KDE OS.

Manjaro has been a slow sinking ship for too much time, anyone wasting their time with it is equally responsible.

[-] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

just stop using manjaro and move on, seriously

[-] kittykillinit@lemy.lol 9 points 1 week ago

I've been using Manjaro for years without issue.

It is the best distro for my needs.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

literally impossible, even if it was run by competent people (it isn't) its design fundamentally caters to no-one

want easy arch? Cachyos, endeavoros

are those too hard? Fedora, aurora, bazzite

The current design of slowing down arch breaks more things than it solves and just results in a significantly harder to fix setup.

the only people who like manjaro haven't tried anything else and haven't really thought about their distros philosophies at all, or just got really unlucky with other distros. There's literally no reason to use this distro that isn't just that you're already used to it. That's not even factoring in that the distro is a net negative for the community (see: ddosing the aur)

[-] Pika@rekabu.ru 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Neither CachyOS nor EndeavourOS get out of the way same as Manjaro. CachyOS doesn't even ship with app store by default, which is an immediate yuck for someone who needs a "just conveniently works out of the box" distro.

Manjaro is the only Arch derivative that allows you to never even think you have Arch under the hood. It has all sorts of QoL improvements and graphical settings for everything, it has a smooth and beautiful integration of all package sources (something Arch is notoriously bad with), and if you don't need AUR, package delay prevents breaking changes, helping you not to think about managing your system.

Manjaro is not for everyone, and it will definitely not satisfy a typical Arch demographic, as it's made with different people in mind. Hence such an opinionated take on your side. Recent management issues don't help, either, but that's exactly what they're trying to take action against.

In any case, it was Manjaro that served as my gateway to Linux, and it couldn't have been smoother. No other distro I played around with made me feel confident in switching.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

My recommendation for someone that needs an appstore with a gui is fedora, manjaro is terrible for this, because they have an appstore that regularly breaks and requires cli intervention anyway, if having a gui for package management is important to you manjaro is a terrible choice, as is arch in general.

read some of the comments here, this is not uncommon, and it's a fundamental issue with the design of arch package management that has been completely resolved elsewhere.

No, I do not agree at all that that is a valid usecase for manjaro. Anybody who needs a distro that works out of the box and is convenient shouldn't even be considering anything arch based.

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[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

the only people who like manjaro haven't tried anything else and haven't really thought about their distros philosophies at all, or just got really unlucky with other distros.

Look, I've used more different OSes than I can remember. I used everything from CP/M to Solaris. I've used Microsoft Xenix, HP-UX, OS/2, Haiku, BSDs, you name it. I've used Slackware, Knoppix, Tom's RootBoot, Puppy Linux, Debian, RedHat Linux (not RHEL, the original), Corel Linux, Mandrake, Caldera.

I love weird OSes and their history. I think I have enough knowledge to jump ship when a distro is giving me a hard time. I use Debian on all servers, Xubuntu or Kubuntu (de-SNAPed, of course) on desktops. But my personal laptop is running Manjaro for years now because it works, stays fresh, and gets out of my way.

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[-] kittykillinit@lemy.lol 5 points 1 week ago

I'm glad I've learned to ignore people like you.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Tell me why I'm wrong.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

What do you see as its advantage(s) over other Arch derivatives?

[-] evol@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago

I have a dream, that one day people will stop making arch derivatives that fragment the user space even more

[-] jsnfwlr@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Why should arch be any different - how many distros are there based on Debian (or Ubuntu, which is based on Debian)?

[-] evol@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

Are any commonly used desktop distros debian based besides Ubuntu ? Ubuntu derivatives are not as they follow the latest upstream packages 1:1 usually iirc. Monjaro has its own dependency update schedule so it creates a new userspace dependency set to build against. If 10 distros follow the same thing we have 10 different timestamps of arch you have to build against.

Maybe my info is out of date, I just use arch & fedora.

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[-] non_burglar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Welcome to Linux town, man. Debian's been bloody flogged into a million distros, but it's OK. Arch will be too.

[-] evol@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

Soon we will have forks of arch forks and each one will have a completely different set of dependencies depending on when the owners decide to freeze the package. Then someone will use it and wonder why theirs so many bugs

[-] mactan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

at least most of them do the healthy thing and just slap on a desktop theme and call it a day

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[-] cookiemonster@beehaw.org 7 points 1 week ago

Is today a bad day to install Manjaro then?

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago

yeah it actually is. if you're looking for an arch based distro I'd suggest endeavour

[-] cookiemonster@beehaw.org 3 points 1 week ago

Well then, might as well.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I used Manjaro up until a couple of years ago. I don't recommend it now. I switched to endeavor os. I hear cachy os is another popular arch based one these days.

[-] Baleine@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago

This is just like that time they made a constitutional monarchy in France. I predict that the Manjaro owner will be too greedy like the King was and it will just end up in a republic (hard fork with name change).

[-] Korkki@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

I guess something needed to be done.

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