Whether or not I use Claude is not going to change society

This gives me shopping cart theory vibes. I don't usually base my moral compass based on whether my action will have some kind of measurable impact, but whether I believe it's the right thing to do. After the intense doubling down in that discussion thread I'm definitely steering clear of lutris. It costs me very little effort to avoid projects that do icky things I don't want to encourage (even though it may not have a measurable impact~)

I'm now assuming it all is and deleting Lutris.

What a moron.

They are free to do what they want to on their repo.

We are free to fork if need arises.

Personally I don't like projects not showing what AI has made. And most of Claude was made on stolen code. Its against the open source license they themselves use https://github.com/lutris/lutris/blob/master/LICENSE

But almost no one actually enforces the license until the big companies show up. I hope they change their minds, but until then, im going to stop using/contributing for a while.

"This works perfectly, which is why I'm removing all ways to audit what it has contributed."

Been chewing this since yesterday. Okay, here is my two cents:

• yes, what LLM companies are doing is a problem. So dropping anything that has anything to do with their products is a sane way to make a statement
• yes, LLMs can be used effectively in development. Whether Lutris author has been using them well - I don't know. Guess won't bother to check either, have other things to do
• yes, doing the stunt with "good luck guessing what is what" is bullshit

Net total, given I've already dropped GNOME because of their culture: guess now I am dropping Lutris. Not because of AI per se, but because of "fuck you" move

Here’s my issue with this specifically. It makes Lutris very vulnerable to being considered entirely public domain:

https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/6538

• their repo (checked the commit graphs and basically they did most of the work, 2nd dev agree with them, covers 90%+) their choice of governance
• their repo, their choice of tooling
• I genuinely believe they think are doing "good enough" code and they are probably right about it in their context
• they do have fair points on the economical power dynamics, namely that yes Anthropic is slightly less worst than Meta, Google, OpenAI, Microsoft, etc (... but IMHO honestly that's a damn low bar)

but also

• obfuscation rather than discussion (closed the issue and limited to maintainers only) so clearly the signal is precisely "my repo, my choice"
• no mention of the copyright or license washing
• no mention of ecological impact

so I would personally consider instead Bottles, GOG (have different problems), Steam (obviously not open source and basically monopolistic position), etc.

Overall I think preventing discussion is unhealthy (even though sadly sometimes needed, here I lack context, maybe the issue poster did this numerous time on other platforms, title definitely was provocative) but removing provenance is NEVER a good choice. They want to use Claude on their repo? Absolutely fine (even though not to me) but hiding it makes it instantly untrustworthy to me. In fact I even argued in the past that even though I personally do not use GenAI/LLMs (for coding or otherwise) except for testing it should always be disclosed precisely so that others can make THEIR choice in consequence, including using or contributing, cf https://fabien.benetou.fr/Analysis/AgainstPoorArtificialIntelligencePractices

Oh great the campaign of harassment is continuing. Keep going guys, hopefully you can get another dev to quit a project, and I know none of the people commenting here have what it takes to fork and maintain it.

You wouldn't be doing anything different if you were getting paid by corporate interests to hurt the open source movement. Great job you can be proud of yourselves.

How to drive off users and contributors in one easy step!

I'm kind of torn on this, because on the one side I can see the developer's troubles. If they have 30 years of experience and they considered the impact of using it they will most likely know how to use it properly and ethically. Indeed many of the issues people have with AI are a kind of redirected anger, when really they are issues with capitalism, incompetency, or digital illiteracy. And the person posting the issue seems purely there to fan that flame rather than actually contribute. Something maintainers could use just as little as slop authored PRs.

But on the other hand, being open about the usage is a must. It's the price to pay for going against the grain. If your ideals and means are pure, they should be defendable and scrutinizable to reasonable people, and there should be no issue with that in the long term. Hiding the usage will create doubt about authorship, and make defenses harder to point at, while it won't stop the horde.

is lutris slop now

i can't help but notice quite a lot of LLM generated commits, is lutris slop now or will @strycore see the error of their ways

Regardless of your opinion on AI, it is not productive or helpful to open this as an issue.

Just assume everything is AI generated and feel free to ignore the GPLv3 because generated code doesn't have any copyright. See how he reacts.

So it's all compromised, gotcha.

Tell me to not use your software without telling me to not use your software.

That's a weird way to run a community facing project, if you want to engage the community that is.

If you treat it like your own personal hobby, you can do whatever you like.

It's completely a coincidence that all games are no longer working in Lutris here, on multiple machines, after upgrading from 0.5.19 to 0.5.20. Weird.

I downgraded and everything works again. I did not try 0.5.22 or the quickly removed 0.5.21.

This explains why it would break constantly.... But that's also why people moved to other solutions.

Meh, I don't really care. It's a free product and it does what I need it to. Just open an issue if there's actually something wrong with the code itself or pick another software if you disagree with the maintainer. There's really no need for drama here.

Lovely.
I haven't been able to get the Elder Scrolls Online (ESO) to run under Steam lately. I was able to get it running under Lutris, and it was fine until the 5.20 update. Haven't been able to play at all. It was good while it lasted, I guess. Time to look for a new solution. If anybody has any recs, I'd love to hear them. I'm running Linux Mint 22.3.

EDIT
Thanks for the recommendations and advice, all! I'm going to give Heroic a shot and see how it goes.

Fair response to someone opening an issue just to broadly complain about AI imo

Lutris has been shit for months now - I guess I just figured out why.

Is this the same Lutris maintainer who took it out of the mint repos because he didn't like some minor thing they did?

I think there is a very practical reason to attribute AI contributions: AI models are improving in ability. Being able to know when and what contributed the code, would allow people to more easily deploy newer AI to examine the work of previous AI, to improve or replace it. Plus, some AI will likely be specialized in specific domains, so you wouldn't want different agents from stepping on each other's toes. Something oriented around GUI design, probably shouldn't be handling graphics optimizations.

This removal of authorship will just make things more difficult in the long run.

Honestly? It’s a front end for some other tools to play games on Linux, if someone finds a performance issue or security hole we can react, but if this makes the Maintainers’s life easier I don’t know how much I really care, John Henry can fork it if they want and show how much better work they do than Claude

Whatis the best alternative to lutris?