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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 187 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

FYI they are very fucking small nowhere near as big as in this image. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_wasp

Forcing her way through the ostiole, the mated mature female often loses her wings and most of her antennae. To facilitate her passage through the ostiole, the underside of the female's head is covered with short spines that provide purchase on the walls of the ostiole.

In depositing her eggs, the female also deposits pollen she picked up from her original host fig. This pollinates some of the female flowers on the inside surface of the fig and allows them to mature. After the female wasp lays her eggs and follows through with pollination, she dies.[15]

After pollination, there are several species of non-pollinating wasps that deposit their eggs before the figs harden. These wasps act as parasites to either the fig or possibly the pollinating wasps.

As the fig develops, the wasp eggs hatch and develop into larvae. After going through the pupal stage, the mature male’s first act is to mate with a female - before the female hatches. Consequently, the female will emerge pregnant. The males of many species lack wings and cannot survive outside the fig for a sustained period of time. After mating, a male wasp begins to dig out of the fig, creating a tunnel through which the females escape.[16]

Once out of the fig, the male wasps quickly die. The females find their way out, picking up pollen as they do. They then fly to another tree of the same species, where they deposit their eggs and allow the cycle to begin again.

[-] Prontomomo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

If you look at the detail in the ghosty wasp, it’s clear that it’s just an edited image of a wasp pasted onto a fig

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

I went and looked that up on my own and I could've just clicked into the comments?!

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 months ago

When i came to the post there were no comments to quell my worries so i had to check and share what i found :D

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

nowhere as big as in this image

Yeah when they're alive, but everyone knows you grow larger when you become a ghost

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yes however it’s a ghost wasp. It can take whatever phantom size it damn well pleases

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago

This is interesting. Regarding a sentence:

Allow them to mature

Does it mean the figs cannot mature without the wasp ? Does it mean that each ripe fig has been visited by a wasp ?

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

Yes exactly. They are both dependent on each other in that way.

And to add on to that, figs are super important food trees in the tropics, because they are the only trees that produce fruits all year around. (Because they have to, otherwise the fig wasp population couldn't sustain itself.) So many animal species are also dependent on the steady food source of fig trees (btw most look very different from the common fig tree, Ficus carica).

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[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 55 points 2 months ago

Most commercially and home grown produced figs are self-pollinating, only a few wild fig species require wasps to pollinate them. So most people will only ever see wasp-free figs.

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Oh thank god.

I know commercial farming is usually terrible, but this bit just seems like a win

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Though i once saw a bug crawl out of a ripe fig, just as i was about to eat it.

[-] wibble@reddthat.com 7 points 2 months ago

Better than finding half a bug in the fig after your first mouthful

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[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

This is why fig newtons taste like delicious hate

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 2 months ago

I use them when I need to channel the ghosts of 1000 angry wasps.

[-] moody@lemmings.world 8 points 2 months ago

No, that's just the sugar. Someone decided figs weren't sweet enough and that they should add sugar to them.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah btw, ground coffee literally has ground bugs in it. To the point, that some people get allergic to it.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 months ago

Everything we eat has allowable amounts of bugs, it's everwhere.

[-] LorIps@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

at some point, we'll probably be eating bug flour on purpose for sustainability reasons

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

When do the bugs enter the coffee, and does me grinding my own coffee change anything?

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Its specifically cockroaches they are talking about and ground coffee. If you grind your own beans and don't see any cockroaches or bugs, then your coffee is roach free.

Humans get allergies to cockroaches really easy. Living in cockroach infested areas will eventually create allergies, people who handle cocraches get allergies, it's not a question of if it's a question of when.

So if you have developed cockroach allergies you risk going into anaphylactic shock if you go anywhere where ground coffee is in the air like a gas station or coffee shop. If you aren't griding your own beans, there is some roach in your bean soup.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I had no idea allergies or cockroaches worked like that and I was better off beforehand.

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[-] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago
[-] affenlehrer@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ethical vegans want to avoid suffering. If figs cause or experience suffering is a philosophical question.

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[-] Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago
[-] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm a vegan, although not super strict. But I knew some terror vegans who do not consider vigs vegan.

The definition of "vegan" differs. Like, I don't like products that had a nervous system. So technically I could eat oysters. But some vegans consider oranges not to be vegan because there might be an animal product in the pesticides used on oranges. Some claim they only use plant based products, but they get mad when I ask them about fungi, as their cell structure looks more like an animal cell than a plant cell (I love to make terror vegans mad).

Being vegan means you buy products which fit your idea of being vegan.

And sadly for some it means you need to be a fucking asshole to anyone you meet.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Regarding your last paragraph: that's unrelated. There are also lots of insufferably vocal meat eaters who feel personally attacked when someone else doesn't religiously stuff themselves with meat every meal.

[-] 42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I know zero (0) vocal vegans but 3 meat eaters who make a point on hating vegans and sometimes make it sound like they eat extra meat to spite vegans.

One of them once said to me a restaurant can only be good if it has no vegetarian options.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

But do they realize all atoms eventually cycle through the ecosystem?

I'm sure all carbon atoms were part of animal at some point. I guess your fake vegans are just molecular vegans and not atomic vegans.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Idk isn't that like saying all animal pollinated plants are not vegan?

[-] Arachnidbrilliant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Well, this one’s got a literal animal inside of it… Is all I’m saying

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[-] mathemachristian 5 points 2 months ago

They are most fruit require insect pollination, as long there is no forced labor or murder it's still vegan

[-] Manticore@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago

Depends on the vegan you're talking to.

Wild figs may be but as soon as you're cultivating fig varieties that require the fig wasp, you are artificially increasing the wasp population specifically to perish, in order to sustain human horticulture. Much like honey or milk, the fact you don't eat the animal's flesh might still defy the spirit of 'no animal exploitation'. Most pollinators do not explicitly perish as part of pollination; figs are one of the foods vegans may disagree on.

The good news is that there are a small number of fig varieties that can be fertilised without the wasp (either by hand, or self-pollinating clones). In a lot of countries this is the variety that may be grown because importing wasps could be ecologically dangerous.

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[-] 58008@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Would this render figs off limits for vegans and vegetarians? 🤔

[-] mathemachristian 7 points 2 months ago

No because it's entirely voluntary on the wasps part

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

But could the wasp ever really choose not to enter the fig?

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[-] Manticore@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 months ago

Vegetarian is fine, there is no flesh. Vegetarianism is typically a dietary restriction, rather than a philosophical one.

Vegan: it depends. Cultivating figs may be seen as expotation, like bee's honey is; regardless of the insect's actual life or wellbeing. Each individual person decides what counts as vegan.

I don't see the point in this level of specificity, because by eating anything at all you consume fungal spores, tiny mites, microbes etc. Plants are also alive. So there is clearly a line where life is permittably consumed.

If 'experiencing suffering' is that line, insects do not seem capable of it, only responding to basic stimuli. I once watched a one trying to eat its own partially severed head, turning it in its front legs while its mouth parts rapidly twitched. It evidently had no comprehension.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago

This post is informative, horrifying, and indeed very, very spoopy.

[-] Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago
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[-] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

So that’s why god hates figs

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

False. Wasps don't have souls.

Hornets on the other hand... I'll see you in hell.

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

This actually explains the infamous Fig Newton Debacle of ‘92, which my extended family is still divided over.

[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ew tryptophobia. Thanks I hate it.

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