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As speculation mounts that Kim Jong-un and Trump could meet this month, analysts say Pyongyang will continue to see nuclear weapons as a matter of survival

North Korea’s launch last week of a missile from a naval destroyer elicited an uncharacteristically prosaic analysis from the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un. The launch was proof, he said, that arming ships with nuclear weapons was “making satisfactory progress”.

But the test, and Kim’s mildly upbeat appraisal, were designed to reverberate well beyond the deck of the 5,000-tonne destroyer-class vessel the Choe Hyon – the biggest warship in the North Korean fleet.

His pointed reference to nuclear weapons was made as the US and Israel continued their air bombardment of Iran – a regime Donald Trump had warned, without offering evidence, was only weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 136 points 4 weeks ago

That's because nukes ARE the only path to security lmao. As soon as the first one was tested, and then fuck me used against civilians everyone watching jnmed understood this.

It sucks, and I would much prefer a world without nuclear weapons, but this is reality unfortunately. If you have nukes, you have leverage without ever having to use them

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 30 points 4 weeks ago

we were working toward a way for a world without nukes. building an economy so interconnected that going to war with another country destroys your economy too. but that shit is fragile. i didn't think it was this fragile tho.

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 17 points 4 weeks ago

It just needs someone with power and without any fucking knowledge of economics but thinking the opposite.

[-] TotallynotJessica 6 points 4 weeks ago

Too bad that ideology drove wealth inequality which empowered populism which empowered fascism which destroyed the interconnected economy. Neoliberalism was never a solution to peace.

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[-] wavebeam@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

This is the plot of metal gear

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 88 points 4 weeks ago

That's the overwhelming message of the 20th and 21st centuries. If you don't have nukes then the US or Russia is gonna mess with you. Get nukes.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago
[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

All but impossible, the major players keep an eye on all the things necessary for nuclear weapons.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Actually, Canada got in on the ground floor and we have everything we'd need. They say we're about two months out at any given time, going the plutonium route.

Then again, we're pretty used to the luxuries of not being an isolated pariah state.

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[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 weeks ago
[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 points 4 weeks ago

Am German. We can definitely be trusted with nukes.

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 weeks ago

I think the lesson here is no one can be trusted with nukes, which is why I want them.

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 66 points 4 weeks ago

Checks and balances.

I know that it's an unpopular opinion, but I firmly believe that we were at least marginally safer when the USSR was still a superpower acting as a check on American fuckery.

Once the USSR fell, US went masks off on the international stage because they had no reason to pretend to be the good guys anymore.

They convinced all their allies to disarm themselves, and then went full "nice country here...shame if something happened to it" the moment they were the only big dog left.

The world can't re-arm itself fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

Better to have it and not need it. You can only have respect when your facing someone at an equal level of power and respect. Clearly even if some administration does have love for your people the next administration might not.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 37 points 4 weeks ago

And unfortunately, North Korea is very correct in this assessment :(

[-] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

shit, i’m in canada and we are having a new conversation about acquiring nukes. USA is making the world a very dangerous place, and it’s all because grossly rich turds like trump want more.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

when you type USA, do you mean the divided states between Canada and Mexico?

[-] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 weeks ago

Ununited states of amerikkka

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Not just north Korea, the whole world can see what happened to Ukrain after they gave up their nukes in exchange for a protection deal, mutually assured destruction is the only way to keep your country safe

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

That had to be the biggest takeaway every country had to have gotten over the last couple of years.

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[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sadly, that's a lesson I've already learned from war in Ukraine. Before it I had "hope"s and "might"s about civilization. Now I have a substantial amount less

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[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 weeks ago

We live in times, when if you don't have a weapon of mass destruction, you cannot be safe. This is like having a gun in neighborhood.

[-] HaveAnotherTacoPDX@lemmy.today 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Shit, Trump's illegal Iran war convinces me pretty strongly that a nuclear weapons program is the only way to keep my fucking apartment secure from the despotic motherfucker. Kick in my door and millions go boom, bitch!

…that sounds ridiculous, and it is! But that's the kind of world this sadistic, brain-rotted buffoon is trying to create. And for some reason Republicans seem to think that's just great! Less than two dozen of them could end this nightmare if they cared. But they don't. How many more are going to die for these bastards?

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

"North Korea's view"

Ha, yeah, it's a NK thing. It's everybody's view.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Turns out the theory of Mutual Assured Destruction was invented by Kim Jung Un, as a spec of genetic material living in his father's sperm that was still lodged in his grandfather's scrotum.

This is the true unlimited power of Scientific Marxism.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

The situation Ukraine and Iran reinforced that position too. Ukraine believed that the US would have its back if it gave up its nukes

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[-] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

North Korea doesn't understand that you must have something worth taking like oil before you need to build nukes to protect it

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 weeks ago

They do.

Not oil but minerals.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The United States dropped 635,000 tons of bombs and 32,557 tons of napalm in North Korea, more than what was spent on the entire Pacific Theater of WW2.

While I don't doubt the US would drop that many bombs just to cause suffering, I don't think it adds up financially if they didn't want something.

[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

And not just North Korea's.

Just like Putin is the best NATO marketer, Trump is the best nuclear weapon marketer.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 weeks ago

Since Putin attacked Ukraine half a dozen European countries are considering their own nuclear arsenal separate from US nuclear sharing. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine, Italy, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark.

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[-] maplesaga@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

If they have a brain they will never relinquish their nukes. Not just because of the US either.

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[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

reinforce North Korea's view

I think you mean conclusively prove North Korea's view to be correct

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 weeks ago

I mean its not a wrong view its either that or be a faithful servant of the west above your own citizens.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

Instead of try to renovate or upkeep nuclear sites Ukraine gave them to Russia for assurances of protection by the Russia, the U.K, and U.S. Then Russia attacked them twice since then. It isn't a "west" thing.

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

just North Korea? How about the rest of the free world becoming a little more cozy to owning a nuke? What is stopping the American barbarians from just coming over and taking what they want? especially with their empire crumbling? See what the zionazis did to gaza? That is potentially ALL OF US.

[-] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Well the UN definetly isnt guaranteeing it. Who can blame the north Koreans and others for having nukes as deterrence?

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