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As speculation mounts that Kim Jong-un and Trump could meet this month, analysts say Pyongyang will continue to see nuclear weapons as a matter of survival

North Korea’s launch last week of a missile from a naval destroyer elicited an uncharacteristically prosaic analysis from the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un. The launch was proof, he said, that arming ships with nuclear weapons was “making satisfactory progress”.

But the test, and Kim’s mildly upbeat appraisal, were designed to reverberate well beyond the deck of the 5,000-tonne destroyer-class vessel the Choe Hyon – the biggest warship in the North Korean fleet.

His pointed reference to nuclear weapons was made as the US and Israel continued their air bombardment of Iran – a regime Donald Trump had warned, without offering evidence, was only weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.

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[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

Not just north Korea, the whole world can see what happened to Ukrain after they gave up their nukes in exchange for a protection deal, mutually assured destruction is the only way to keep your country safe

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That had to be the biggest takeaway every country had to have gotten over the last couple of years.

[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, not holding up that deal was the worst move in modern US diplomatic history. The Doomsday Clock was moved from 100 seconds to midnight up to 90 seconds to midnight because of it. The message is VERY clear: you will only be protected or respected if you can launch nukes.

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[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

The Security Dilemma: Any steps a state takes to protect itself also threatens their neighbours who can't tell if those actions are purely defensive or if they might be used for an offensive war.

In the Realism interpretation, this necessarily produces an arms race: The neighbours also need to increase their own safety, in turn threatening the first state, who then needs to...

WMDs and nuclear deterrence are the escalation of that dilemma. By raising the potential cost of an attack war to the level of annihilation, this leverages the most fundamental state objective (securing its own survival) to deter from ever attacking (at least one paper; war and diplomacy never turn out quite as the theory might imagine).

Idealism would instead trust in mutual understanding between states, that this arms race will produce pointless cost for all parties, which might be better invested in infrastructure and trade to make all parties more prosperous. Which also sounds nice on paper, but greed, ego and military industrial ~~corruption~~ "lobby" are working hard to separate us.

Remember, you've got more in common with a working-class American, Russian, Ukrainian, Chinese, North Korean, Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian or any other other country than you do with billionaires or the leaders working so hard to spread hate and division and turn us on each other. We do what we must to protect ourselves, but we must not forget that the guy on the other side is just as much a victim.

Until we can make that unity a reality, it unfortunately does seem that nukes are a critical component in any state's security strategy.

[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

reinforce North Korea's view

I think you mean conclusively prove North Korea's view to be correct

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 135 points 4 days ago

That's because nukes ARE the only path to security lmao. As soon as the first one was tested, and then fuck me used against civilians everyone watching jnmed understood this.

It sucks, and I would much prefer a world without nuclear weapons, but this is reality unfortunately. If you have nukes, you have leverage without ever having to use them

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

we were working toward a way for a world without nukes. building an economy so interconnected that going to war with another country destroys your economy too. but that shit is fragile. i didn't think it was this fragile tho.

[-] bufalo1973@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago

It just needs someone with power and without any fucking knowledge of economics but thinking the opposite.

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[-] Bazell@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago

We live in times, when if you don't have a weapon of mass destruction, you cannot be safe. This is like having a gun in neighborhood.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 88 points 4 days ago

That's the overwhelming message of the 20th and 21st centuries. If you don't have nukes then the US or Russia is gonna mess with you. Get nukes.

[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago
[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm an American. I want nukes. Not for my country, me specifically. We should legalize the private ownership of nuclear bombs!

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[-] HaveAnotherTacoPDX@lemmy.today 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Shit, Trump's illegal Iran war convinces me pretty strongly that a nuclear weapons program is the only way to keep my fucking apartment secure from the despotic motherfucker. Kick in my door and millions go boom, bitch!

…that sounds ridiculous, and it is! But that's the kind of world this sadistic, brain-rotted buffoon is trying to create. And for some reason Republicans seem to think that's just great! Less than two dozen of them could end this nightmare if they cared. But they don't. How many more are going to die for these bastards?

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 66 points 4 days ago

Checks and balances.

I know that it's an unpopular opinion, but I firmly believe that we were at least marginally safer when the USSR was still a superpower acting as a check on American fuckery.

Once the USSR fell, US went masks off on the international stage because they had no reason to pretend to be the good guys anymore.

They convinced all their allies to disarm themselves, and then went full "nice country here...shame if something happened to it" the moment they were the only big dog left.

The world can't re-arm itself fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

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[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

And not just North Korea's.

Just like Putin is the best NATO marketer, Trump is the best nuclear weapon marketer.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

Since Putin attacked Ukraine half a dozen European countries are considering their own nuclear arsenal separate from US nuclear sharing. Sweden, Germany, Ukraine, Italy, Poland, Netherlands, Denmark.

[-] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Putin attacking Ukraine has certainly played a part here but the big and much more impactful final push for this has been NATO members losing trust in the USA and its nuclear umbrella because of Trump. After all every one of these European nations except for Ukraine which is the only non-member was happy with the NATO guarantees for a very long time before this.

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[-] maplesaga@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

If they have a brain they will never relinquish their nukes. Not just because of the US either.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

And unfortunately, North Korea is very correct in this assessment :(

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[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sadly, that's a lesson I've already learned from war in Ukraine. Before it I had "hope"s and "might"s about civilization. Now I have a substantial amount less

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[-] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well the UN definetly isnt guaranteeing it. Who can blame the north Koreans and others for having nukes as deterrence?

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

The UN was never a guarantor of peace. It was an effort to provide a forum for diplomacy to facilitate peaceful solutions, created in a time where international relations were much more fragmented.

Diplomacy can never prevent war, only ever seek to avoid it, and that's what the UN is for. It's not any member's extended army to enforce their idea of peace. That's why the great powers got veto rights: to prevent weaponising it.

This isn't on the UN. It's on the aggressors that start wars and prove that you cannot trust in international goodwill and a shared desire for peace.

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