They were always hostile, but it was possible. And once you finish the long and stressful fight with samsung for the control of your phone, you are left with a great phone in your hands. Depending who you ask, it was worthy.

But now they finally made it impossible. They always wanted to do this, and finally succeeded. They "won" the battle.

And the new UI sucks hard. I hate it. But at least it's a work phone paid for by work and but my problem after hours...

Yup. I bought a camera after google play killing my s21 ultra.

Paid 800 dollars for the camera. It's inferior to the old s21 in almost every way, and I could get one for 300 dollars. Inferior as in a camera, not even considering how the s21 is great as a gaming phone, computer, etc. Plus the camera is fragile and bigger, so I never carry it, so it's never there when I need to capture something nice.

It's weird how hardware wise we reached such an amazing point, but the software has enshitified to levels I would never even imagine.

We have to choose between being a slave of samsung/google or let go of amazing hardware. But they can only afford to make such amazing stuff precisely because of their evil practices. So it will get worse. Hardware will become more amazing, the more evil these companies get.

A better link for Jolla is probably their store: https://commerce.jolla.com/

I have pre-ordered the Jolla Phone and am hoping everything is working out (won't see it for another 4 months at the very least I suppose). I am very excited getting to know a completely new mobile OS to me and the actual successor of Nokia's Meego. Like with any alternative system, and to some extend also with degoogled Androids it is advisable to inform oneself first before jumping ship.

it's been the time for years, I highly doubt that it will ever happen. it's been a lot of friction to get desktop users to switch, it's gonna be 5x more difficult, considering mobile users are less tech-savvy and typically do things on their phone (rather than a computer which most people can get away with just a web browser).

I have been on the offline open source route for many years. I don't even see it as time consuming. It's so much better than relying on cloud services that it pays off. I lost count of the situations where needing cloud would have been bad. But maybe I trained myself that way, because I never liked the "cloud" idea, my data out of my control.

But the hardware to run that and the options to do that will become more and more impossible. At least on mobiles.

There will come a day when Syncthing won't work anymore on android, because of "security" (the terrorists could send files to your phone and kill children!).

How's the phone performing so far and what was your previous phone? I've got my eye on Fairphone whenever it's finally time to upgrade (hopefully not for another few years)

You are lucky. Here not even 3G or 4G works anymore. If it doesn't have VoLTE it doesn't work. It started this year.

Motorola is coming in soon, fortunately

fairphones also support it, and a few other relatively popular ROMs

And honour to them for sharing the knowledge here others won't fall for this shit.

That won't get rid of the google/samsung crap constantly running on your phone and trying to phone home.

I tried on the american s10. Most unnecessary google and samsung stuff is disabled or blocked. The phone hangs on almost everything. Every time you try to open something, do something, it hangs. It becomes unusable. Spyware is an integral part of modern mainstream systems.

That's good to know. Although that's a more difficult, if not impossible, mistake to make. If you search on installing something different on those phones, as most people will do, they will find that it's impossible before they even start the journey. Buying a phone to degoogle without researching if it's even possible is a bad mistake.

But the older ones it's worse, because not only every research will show it's possible, most reviews I found of the S10 with Lineage were actually very positive, saying everything worked great. Because VoLTE being mandatory is something new, and many countries will still work but not for long.

So it's really bad because if you don't pay attention to the IMS thing you will have no reason to think it won't work. It is possible, it works great, it just doesn't make calls. Silly detail that isn't mentioned well enough.

Technically, the brands that offer already degoogled android (fairphone) or Linux directly (jolla) are better.

Please never reccomend google phones for de googling ever again