How do you declare war on a state you don’t recognize?
Invade Crimea?
It's a not-so-civil war, if you will
Show me a civil war and I’ll show you a friendly murder.
Ask Hamas.
They didn’t issue a formal declaration of war.
Wikipedia:
Oh, I do apologize. You are correct. They didn't declare war. They declared jihad.
My mistake.
Bonus:
There’s only one point under discussion here: Israel is calling this a declaration of war after years of refusing to acknowledge Palestinian statehood.
That means they’re playing the optics for a western audience in a self serving, hypocritical way. And geez it might take me an entire bathroom sit to assemble a list of more.
Hamas doesn’t have a PR strategy for the west. They’re just attacking. It’s not right but at least it’s not theater.
Let the American audience understand when they are being played to.
Israel accepted the original plan to have an independent Palestinian state. Palestine rejected it and started the 1947 civil war in an attempt to exterminate the Jews living there.
The borders of the state of Palestine would be "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution, in November 2013, was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions;[5] with Israel and the United States voting against.[6]
The Palestinian leadership has embraced the concept since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez.[7] Israel views moves by Palestinian leaders to obtain international recognition of a State of Palestine as being unilateral action by the Palestinians and inconsistent with a negotiated two-state solution.
That means they’re playing the optics for a western audience in a self serving, hypocritical way. ... Hamas doesn’t have a PR strategy for the west. They’re just attacking. It’s not right but at least it’s not theater.
I'm less worried about the hypocrisy and theatrics, than I am about civilian deaths.
But you do you.
You should be, because the u.s. will use this theater to justify sending huge amounts of military aid to Israel to level Gaza. Fuck Hamas but the u.s. sending more weapons over isn't going to help this situation.
Gaza is something like 300km^2. Israel has more than enough to level it a thousand times over. They have hundreds of artillery pieces, hundreds of fighters, an entire navy, something like a thousand tanks, ...
Hell, given they likely have hundreds of nukes, they could level the entire middle-east and end global civilisation as we know it.
The US giving Israel more military aid now, is politics. Not much more.
Wonderful. Now we have two wars that just happen to rile up needless political grandstanding for the uninvolved to fight over, so we wont have to think about the millions of innocents killed in the fighting.
Or any really important issues at home.
I dunno, I do sort of think that the deaths of innocent men, women, and children who lived between two warring nations is a big enough deal for us to set down our current affairs.
Im pissed that instead its going to be used as a proxy argument for ongoing at home political pissing matches.
This should make us pause our issues at home. Instead, its going to be used as fuel for the issues at home.
While millions die.
That's actually a pretty privileged pov. The hierarchy of need isn't very forgiving. When you can't feed your kids, or yourself, it's hard to give all your attention to a war going on across the world. Which is why US leaders should be leading the US first, instead of dragging foreign wars into their debates so they can try to get political points before an election.
Following our decades-long invasion of Palestine and continually calling for Palestine's removal and the genocide of the Palestinian people, we are now calling it war.
Damn, maybe palestine should have accepted the two state plan in 1947 instead of trying to eliminate all Israeli Jews at the time.
Israel accepted it. Palestine started killing civilians. Then got their asses handed to them repeatedly.
You have to understand though, prior to the UN proposal, it was all just Palestine. Why should the Palestinians have accepted a UN (foreign, primarily western at the time) proposal to give half of their land to a minority who only began immigrating there en masse in the last 50 years? This was the period of decolonization, and while the rest of the Arab world and Africa was gaining their independence, Palestine was just getting a new map drawn on them by their western colonizers.
It’s easy to say with another 70 years of perspective that it didn’t work out for them, but in 1947 Israel was nothing more than an idea championed by a minority of religious extremists, viewed as terrorists even in the west.
Prior to the UN proposal it was a British territory. Before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.
Palestine has never existed as an independent state.
Wow, how gracious of israel, with the backing of the most powerful militaries in the world arrayed against a country without significant military allies, to nominally agree to a two-state plan and then for 75 years violate treaties, kill civilians and constantly invade the other state that essentially can't fight back.
Super brave of them to constantly show force with the US military backing them.
I'm sure Israel appreciates you admiring their genocide.
We don’t get many declarations of war these days. Usually they are just special military actions, or security operations, or something like that. What makes this different?
Israel is constantly catastrophizing their situation to win sympathy and demonize their enemy. Usually they try to avoid this kind of language because, being the only ones with an organized military, it would be a bad look to be at war with a bunch of refugees. But since they’ve been attacked they’re doing everything they can to paint that attack in the most bombastic terms possible 1) to win sympathy and 2) to justify the military devastation they are about to unleash on a civilian population.
So their mass murder of civilians will now be under the guise of a war. Sigh
It doesn't matter anyone's opinion on Isarel or Palestians or Palestine, rhe bottom line is this is likely the end game. The chances of gaza being occupied by anyone much less Palestians is near zero.
I think chances for the West Bank to survive are still there since they aren't controlled byHamas and Fatah have collaborated on security with Israel. But I still think hardliners crazies in Israel could successfully expand this to include the west Bank.
The bottom line is that by committing mass war crimes and crimes against humanity, Hamas has doomed itself and the entire Gaza strip.
I am NOT weighing in on right or wrong. I personally don't think there are any innocent governments in this. I'm simply saying that by giving up the high ground and committing these crimes, Gaza has doomed itself, and Israel has enough internationally recognized pretext to end it all.
Gaza was doomed anyway. The West Bank was also doomed. Any land that the far-right fascists in Israel have their eyes on is doomed because they have the full force of the west backing them (no matter if they pretend to wag their finger at them from time to time) and they've got other countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia backing them. The plan all along was to take the land and it was only a matter of time. GG, enjoy your ethnostate, fascists.
Enjoy it but the trouble is, we in the US have those assholes occasionally wagging a finger, while scooping every public dollar into buckets to shower on these Israeli assholes while they scream about wokeness and gay folk and trans folk and who’s bathroom is who’s….all the while actively trying to bring about a holy war they think will bring jeebus back or whatever.
Radical religious terrorism is the thing that will keep us from reaching the stars. We’re not ready for other cultures when we can’t even manage our own
This seems like a really unevenly weighted war. Israel has nukes and is supported by most of the west. Vengeance and violence are also never a good mix so this will likely get ugly fast. It'll be interesting to see where the line is, if it exists at all, on how much violence the West will publicly support.
Good terrorism should be countered hard
Good! I hope they wipe Gaza off of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and their supporters once and for all.
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