I suppose anyone here who believes in reincarnation is slightly worried now.
Finally, I knew when I saved this to my phone there would be a perfect moment. (Humanity is too predictable)
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So, uh... is it any good at it?
"Scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should"
Micheal on his fictional book about sex changing lizards in an unconventional zoo.
A 'digital rendition of Hell'... you even Doom bro?
Wasn't the original Doom a digital representation of Mars and its moons: Phobos and Deimos?
Yes, but IIRC they just happened to be the location of the hell portal that humans disturbed, and hell started leaking out. The depiction of Phobos and Deimos as hell-like was after the leakage. The third part of original Doom was back on Earth when the leakage had spread there, and it looked exactly like the hell of the Mars moons.
I wouldn't bet money on that being exact, but that's how I remember it.
Yes, but with a dimensional portal to Hell opened on them. Or where do you suppose the demons come from.
I have no mouth and I must Doom.
Honestly? Sounds preferable to being stuck in the universe of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream..... I'll take a challenging power fantasy with some massively overpowered weapons over millennia of endless physical and psychological torture by an insane AI..... might just be me though...
Didn't the thought emporium work on this?
They are, the small difference is, that they are trying to do it with rat neurons if I remember correctly.
Yeah they are working on this for sure. The video series is available here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZLsjPxmF1BE1BAAeJgF2A17pKxeIBGm8
Raises uncomfortable questions about consciousness. The only difference between these neurons and your own are the number of them and the structures they form. Of course it doesn't know what it's doing, but... Neither do our own neurons
Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and "I'm not allowed to find out"
Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and ~~"I'm not allowed to find out"~~ "Am I able to find out without doing something monstrously inhumane"
FTFY
I guess my point is that sometimes even if it's illegal you can get away with it if done correctly, with ruling party aligned stated goals....or you have access to a shit tonne of money and powerful friends.
And now bring artificial neural networks, i.e., AI, into the picture to make it even more spicy.
Nueralink did pretty much the same thing to monkeys that are actually conscious. So it this different only because those are human neurons? Is human consciousness different than animal consciousness?
Sounds like those are uncomfortable questions being raised...
That was just to try and make the equipment work at all, it wasn't about doing anything with software. It's the opposite where you're only worried about the physical damage and infection.
I was focusing more on the "hooking up conscious brain to computer" part than about the damage and infection part.
Thought experiment: let's say we have a dead brain patient. You have verified that there is no neural activity in the brain beyond cerebellum. There's no consciousness in the brain. Legally it's still considered a person. You can't for example shoot them.
We also have a 5kg blob of lab grown human brain tissue. We have verified there is neural activity in the entire blob but we don't know what it's doing and we can't communicate with it.
Which one is more conscious? Which one should be considered more human and should have more rights?
i dont think op made a mutually exclusive statement?...
I'm not sure this is quite analagous to neuralink's monkey experiments. That said,
So is this different only because those are human neurons?
To my mind, a neuron is a neuron. The only difference between your brain and a monkey brain is, again, the number of neurons and the structures they form. I don't see this as any different from monkey or rat or ant or entirely digital neurons.
I’m not sure this is quite analagous to neuralink’s monkey experiments.
Why not? It's a chip reading inputs from neurons. This meme doesn't make it clear if the chip was also stimulation neurons but Neuralink has plans for neural stimulation and it's possible this was also tested on monkeys. So what's the difference?
You seem to be arguing against a point that no one has made.
You seem not to understand what is being discussed here.
Correct. That was basically my point -- I don't think anything is being discussed, people are talking past each other.
Yes. Because it's us. Anything not us is always going to be less valuable. You'd kill 100 lions if it means saving 1 human.
Lions are not conscious. And I'm not asking about value. Of course we value human consciousness more than monkey consciousness. We don't grant monkeys any rights. Hell, we assign more value to unconscious (brain dead) humans than to conscious monkeys. But how exactly is human consciousness different?
Do those neurons interact with hormones like mine do?
... Am I missing something, or is this not like, the practical, if not lore accurate first step toward actually creating a:
the only missing component is a minigun, robotic spyder legs and positive reinforcement coctail whenevet it kills a person.
“We decided to leave those out of our first test, staring down the barrels of a minigun during neural training were putting our scientists off”
Next step, give it spider legs and a gattling gun!
So we’re just going full head of steam into a combo of the torment nexus and AM
Torment Nexus but with a win condition
What win condition? Once the brain defeats the last boss, it starts on all the WADs. You have any idea how many of these were created?
It would not know what hell is, just that humanoids are enemies.
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