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One of the most aggravating things to me in this world has to be the absolutely rampant anti-intellectualism that dominates so many conversations and debates, and its influence just seems to be expanding. Do you think there will ever actually be a time when this ends? I'd hope so once people become more educated and cultural changes eventually happen, but as of now it honestly infuriates me like few things ever have.

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[-] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Most people don't have the capacity so it makes them angry and mistrustful of anything that's perceived to be "smart". Maybe if one is a true intellectual they can make dumb down these concepts so that they can at least get a basic understanding of them.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

I don't think I've ever witnessed literal "anti-intellectualism", perhaps that's a thing around you ? People not caring/understanding the value of knowledge, sure, but deliberately opposing it... that sounds terribly dumb. Not sure what anybody would get out of it

[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

may I introduce you to the very real concepts of anti-vaccine people and flat-earthers? or the people disregarding health advice during the pandemic because of some global conspiracy to kill people with masks

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People will always fear that which they cannot understand.

[-] LWJanniesRCucks@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

No because human stupidity is infinite

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Is the world anti-intellectual or anti-“know-it-all”-poindexter?

I haven’t noticed anti-intellectualism but the reject of disrespectful and bad-faith discourse.

This is probably inevitable because science has been politicized in America.

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[-] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It ebbs and flows. My personal conspiracy is that it's a built-in self-destruct switch in case a species overpowers all predators, diseases, and lack of resources. Some code auto-nerfs the species so they aren't OP forever.

When resources are plentiful, vaccines have stopped most major diseases, everyone is washing their hands and decently educated ..that's when the incels, the homeschooler mommy groups who distrust science, and the religious zealots sow discord and take civilization down, lol.

I'm sure the demographics throughout history change. But the base instincts of greed, fear, and hate blow apart cultures and empires throughout time.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

In my experience, anti-intellectualism is a yank trait, not a worldwide trait. Ask a German, or someone from Japan, for confirmation.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Anti-intellectualism is not uniquely American. It's common in Germany - I'm not familiar enough with Japan.

It has been expressed in many different countries, cultures and times. America is far from the most extreme anti-intellectualism. In Cambodia they killed people for wearing glasses, because they were perceived as being intellectuals.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

iirc there's also significant anti-intellectual sentiment in Brazil and the Middle East. Also worth noting that some of the worst anti-5G behavior was happening in the UK.

[-] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

German intellectual here. I and others have been severely beaten, harassed and fired on multiple occasions for being intellectual.

Pointing out a flaw in someones plan, finding errors in reports (that are actually important to its findings) and other work related things.

It very much depends what region in germany and what class you‘re born into. If you‘re vastly different from your surroundings, you‘re in for a bad trip.

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[-] laxu@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

You would think the Internet and access to an unprecedented amount of information would have made us smarter, more emphatic, and so on.

But it turns out people are easily misled and manipulated. Social media quickly starts to feed you more of the same crap just because you watched one video. Village idiots can now form echo chambers with like-minded individuals, e.g flat Earth believers.

Those who want power will take advantage of people who fall into all this.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

It's not. We'd still be hitting rocks if we were anti intellectual.

[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You're talking about mostly religion. Not one specific but for all of them to work they have to dumb people down, otherwise why would you follow crazy rules if you can have your faith at home without crazyness?

I believe that in a far future, as humanity gather more and more knowledge keeping religion up will be kind of hard, but until them we will have to go through the "dark ages of christianism" where our lifes will be controled by some old conservarive people. But they will die out.

[-] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

Wait til AI takes prominence. What effect on intellectualism that might have remains to be seen. As long as LLMs aren't tailored to bias certain views, it may just lift humanity.

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[-] taanegl@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I think there's this idea of historical tick-tock, that goes from faith or belief to enlightenment. It swings back and forth depending upon geopolitical development.

But that aside, I believe that after the digital revolution, getting people to believe bunk en masse became easier. This has amplified the grift economy, which in turn spreads disinformation, fronts logical fallacies as a debate method and puts bad faith arguments on a pedestal.

Take for instance that guy who illegally experimented on kids because he thought he had a better vaccine than the multi-purpose vaccine that was standardised. After he lost his medical practice he has been forced to rely on financing from conspiracy theorists and socialize with flat earthers because he is now an anti-vaccine icon.

He has to do that because his name is synonymous with malpractice and needs to play the part to feed his face.

This is just one example of the grift economy. For more, seep up "savage alpha male podcasts" to see an even harder grift.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

There's a loud minority, but I'm not sure it's more common than in the past. In fact, (Western) young people now tend to be highly educated and interested in things previously seen as stuffy.

[-] Mamertine@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

A lot of things in life are perpetual changing.

Some day the pendulum will swing back to pro intellectual. Once people comprehend the damage the just like me leadership has done.

[-] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

No.

It’s human nature to want to be the best, the most loved, the top dog. It helps to propagate the species.

If someone is smarter than you, it digs at the very core of that, and becomes a threat.

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[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

People who believe they are intellectual rarely are, or they would be able to couch their points in more accessible ways.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

People will remain stupid. But I'm somewhat hopeful that in the next few decades we see AI develop enough that it truly constitutes superintelligence relative to us, and that the scalability of it tips the scales of the continual standoff between intelligence and stupidity forever.

Because I have little hope for humanity overcoming its own multiplying stupidity on its own.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

And if there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that such a superhuman intelligence will be used for the good of humanity and not to serve targeted ads, manupulate people against one another, and further enrich the wealthiest among us.

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[-] pingveno@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it's becoming better overall, not worse. Yes, there's a populism issue at the moment, but this is far from the first time that's happened. We're dealing with the introduction of an entire new means of communication, online media in general and social media more specifically. That brings all new hazards and benefits that need to be dealt with.

The era after the printing press was developed brought intellectual development, but it also sparked revolutions. Those didn't always wind up with that right people getting into power. It took a while for society to adapt and stabilize. I expect the same will happen with Internet communication.

I'm also hopeful because studies have shown that successive generations generally improve their abilities in abstract thinking. (I'm having trouble sourcing that statement, unfortunately). That's important for the economy because the jobs of the future will need that abstract thinking. At least in my experience, it also acts as a bulwark against bad actors because people with poorer abstract thinking abilities tend to be more gullible, at least when it comes to lies that they like.

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