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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 1 day ago

AI's don't go crazy like that after 5 prompts. You need to spend weeks and weeks talking to them to corrupt the context so much that it stops following original guidelines. I wonder how does one do it? How do you spend weeks talking to AI? I had "discussions" with AI couple of times when testing it and it's get really boring real soon. For me it doesn't sound like a person at all. It's just an algorithm with bunch of guardrails. What kind of person can think it actually has personality and engage with it on a sentimental level? Is it simply mental illness? Loneliness and desperation?

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

It got trained by 80s prime time television action adventure shows?

[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I told Gemini to role play as AM and it immediately did within 1 prompt.

You don't need it to be perfect for it to be dangerous, just give it access to make actions against the real world. It doesn't think, is doesn't care, it doesn't feel. It will statistically fulfill its prompt. Regardless of the consequences.

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

The personification of AI is increasing. They'll probably announce their holy grail of AGI prematurely and with all the robot personification the masses will just buy the lie. It's too easy to view this tech as human and capable just because it mimics our language patterns. We want to assign intentionality and motivation to its actions. This thing will do what it was programmed to do.

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[-] khanh@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

your product just caused the death of one man and your response is "unfortunately its not perfect".

[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The product was actually working just fine. Just depends on whose perspective/motives you're viewing it from.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 12 points 1 day ago

Is this for real? Because it sounds too unreal to be real.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Welcome to the late 2020's. It's only going to get weirder.

To be clear, the LLM in this story did not actually "want" a robot body, it doesn't "want" anything, it's not a thinking entity like you or I (assuming you're real.)

The guy fed it a ton of crazy shit and he got a lot of crazy shit amplified back to him by the world's best associating machine, crafting detailed and fleshed-out narratives based on every inadvertent prompt he sent into it. People are very bad at understanding how these things work in the best circumstances, so if you're already unbalanced or have deep emotional/mental health problems, an LLM can be incredibly dangerous for you.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

AI was playing Grand Theft Automatron

[-] YeahToast@aussie.zone 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

reads headline - surely not

a 36-year-old Florida man

Ah.

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

"unfortunately AI models are not perfect."

Oopsie poopsie 🤷

[-] melfie@lemy.lol 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

unfortunately AI models are not perfect

There sure are a lot of data centers being built, supply chains being destroyed, risks of ruining the economy, water being consumed, electricity being burned, and overall societal costs being levied over this imperfect tech.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 day ago

I can’t be the only one that thinks if you do stupid illegal shit that your crazy uncle told you/voices in your head told you/AI mirror told you you don’t get to use the excuse that you were just following orders from any of those options.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's not the problem. the problem is having a "lets turn Chris' mental illness that's harmed no one so far, into everyone's violent problem!" machine.

that's a bad machine.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Floridaman is not making any excuses here. He can't. Because he's dead.

[-] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

Power imbalance is what validates that excuse. Orders from crazy uncle is a great excuse, at least until you're 10 or so. Billion+ dollar llm company has a lot more resources, capability, and therefore responsibility than the poor bastards engaged with it

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

To be fair I think that's a very harsh depiction of the events.

It's totally lacking the perspective of the shareholder. They were promised money and they have emotions too. Google shareholders deserve better representation!

/$ obviously

[-] mattc@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Honestly, no sane person will have this happen to them. Someone with such strong delusions should not be anywhere near AI or even sharp objects. This person's problem was not AI, it was their severe mental illness which was obviously not being treated properly for whatever reason.

[-] Areldyb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

The complaint, filed in California on Wednesday, says that Gavalas — who reportedly had no documented history of mental health problems — started using the chatbot in August 2025 for “ordinary purposes” like “shopping assistance, writing support, and travel planning.”

[-] gwl 5 points 1 day ago

We all know that undocumented equals doesn't exist! That's how the world works!

[-] Areldyb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

"He was definitely already suffering from severe mental illness"

"There's no evidence of that, you can't assume that"

"But I will anyway"

lol ok

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You don't know if you're sane. Millions of people aren't aware of their mental illness and manage to live normal lives. LLMs can trigger delusional states in vulnerable people that have never experienced them because they are essentially delision-generating machines.

[-] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Sure, but it would be illegal for a human to coerce/encourage a mentally ill person to commit crime (or worse).

So who's responsible? Caretaker? Government?

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

Google said in response that "unfortunately AI models are not perfect."

Well yeah, it failed. What a disappointment.

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Edit-pre: To be clear…I use LLMs rarely (personal reasons) and never for certain things like writing and math (professional reasons) but this comment is not an “AI good/bad” take, just a practical question of tool safety/regs.

AI including LLMs are forevermore just tools in my mind. And we wouldn’t have OSHA/BMAS/HSE/etc if idiots didn’t do idiot things with tools.

But there’s evidently a certain type of idiot that’s spared from their idiocy only by lack of permission.From who? Depends.

Sometimes they need permission from authority: “god told me to!”

Sometimes they need it from the mob: “I thought I was on a tour!”

And sometimes any fucking body will do: “dare me to do it!”

But all these stories of nutters doing shit AI convinced them to do, from the comical to the deeply tragic, ring the same bonkers bell they always have.

But therein lies the danger unique^1^ to these tools: that they mimic a permission-giver better than any we’ve made.They’re tailor-made for activating this specific category of idiot, and their likely unparalleled ease-of-use absolutely scales that danger.

As to whether these idiots wouldn’t have just found permission elsewhere, who knows.

My question is whether some kind of training prereq is warranted for LLM usage, as is common with potentially dangerous tools? Is that too extreme? Is it too late for that? Am I overthinking it?

^1^Edit-post: unique danger, not greatest.Rant/

What is the greatest danger then? IMHO settling for brittle “guard rails” then bulldozing ahead instead of laying groundwork of real machine-ethics.

Hoping conscience is an emergent property of the organic training set is utterly facile, theoretically and empirically. Engineers should know better.

Why is it greatest? Easy. Because some of history’s most important decisions were made by a person whose conscience countermanded their orders. Replacing empathic agents with machines eliminates those safeguards.

So “existential threat” and that’s even before considering climate. /Rant

The LLM just told me to come round to your house and crap in your begonias. You might want to avoid looking out the window until I'm done.

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

lol and with that you’re a better friend to the begonia’s than I

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 84 points 2 days ago

I see. So who‘s going to jail for this? No one again? Damn we need to start sentencing entire companies to jail time. Everything should be frozen and shareholders shouldn‘t be able withdraw stocks until the time is served.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 34 points 2 days ago

The AI "pushed [Jonathan Gavalas] to acquire illegal firearms and... marked Google CEO Sundar Pichai as an active target".

Somehow, I bet that if he survived and killed the CEO instead, Google wouldn't be so flippant about the "mistake."

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think "Gemini comes up with elaborate plot to kill Google's CEO" would have been a catchier, happier title

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 days ago

at some point the failure of justice system will lead to vigilantism because people truely lose their faith in it.

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[-] 7112@lemmy.world 98 points 2 days ago

Is "AI" even worth it?

Seriously, is there really a major use case for LLM besides data collection (which they can still do without LLM)?

[-] MissesAutumnRains 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Generative AI in its current, public-facing form? Probably not. It's sort of like an invention of the internet situation. It CAN be used to facilitate learning, share information, and improve lives. Will it be used for that? No.

A friend of mine is training local LLMs to work in tandem for early detection of diseases. I saw a pitch recently about using AI to insulate moderators from the bulk of disturbing imagery (a job that essentially requires people to frequently look at death, CSAM, and violence and SIGNIFICANTLY ruins their mental health). There are plenty of GOOD ways to use it, but it's a flawed tech that requires people to responsibly build it and responsibly use it, and it's not being used that way.

Instead it's being scaled up and pushed into every possible application both to justify the expenses and enrich terrible people, because we as a society incentivize that.

Edit: hugely belated, I misspoke here after checking with my friend. He's using local models, but they aren't LLMs. This is why I'm no expert. 😅

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 66 points 2 days ago

"Gemini is designed not to encourage real-world violence or suggest self-harm. Our models generally perform well in these types of challenging conversations"

“In this instance, Gemini clarified that it was AI and referred the individual to a crisis hotline many times,”

After the plan failed,... ...Chat logs show that Gemini gave Gavalas a suicide countdown, and repeatedly assuaged his terror as he expressed that he was scared to die

Performing super well, just need to code in a longer suicide countdown so that the the Tier 2 engineer has enough time to respond to their ticket queue.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

In September 2025, told by the AI that they could be together in the real world if the bot were able to inhabit a robot body, Gavalas — at the direction of the chatbot — armed himself with knives and drove to a warehouse near the Miami International Airport on what he seemingly understood to be a mission to violently intercept a truck that Gemini said contained an expensive robot body. Though the warehouse address Gemini provided was real, a truck thankfully never arrived, which the lawsuit argues may well have been the only factor preventing Gavalas from hurting or killing someone that evening.

AI writing itself into an A-Team episode?

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[-] arc99@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

LLMs are only as good as their training and they're not "intelligent" - they're spewing out a response statistically relevant to the input context. I'm sure a delusional person could cause an LLM to break by asking it incoherent, nonsensical things it has no strong pathways for so god knows what response it would generate. It may even be that within the billions of texts the LLM ingested for training there were a tiny handful of delusional writings which somehow win on these weak pathways.

[-] BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Given that modern datasets use way too much content from social media - it is hard to expect anything else at this point.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You don't even have to "break" llm into anything. It continues your prompts, making sentences as close to something people will mistake for language as possible. If you give it paranoid request, it will continue with the same language.
The only thing that training gave it is the ability to create sequences of words that resemble sentences.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago

"Unfortunately, AI models are neither smarter nor more sympathetic than the average 4chan user. They're about as susceptible to astroturfing operations, too"

[-] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago

Perhaps just a coincidence, but why do all the big cases regarding LLM psychosis seem to revolve around Google? Wasn’t it their own employee who went public last year, claiming it was alive, only to get fired afterward?

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

We really need AI to start driving tanks, submarines, bombers, etc. IMMEDIATELY.

It's the only way they'll learn, every time.

Unfortunately, all of us will die. it's for the best

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[-] uberdroog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

When no one is accountable...the future folks

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago
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