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[-] 7112@lemmy.world 98 points 2 months ago

Is "AI" even worth it?

Seriously, is there really a major use case for LLM besides data collection (which they can still do without LLM)?

[-] MissesAutumnRains 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Generative AI in its current, public-facing form? Probably not. It's sort of like an invention of the internet situation. It CAN be used to facilitate learning, share information, and improve lives. Will it be used for that? No.

A friend of mine is training local LLMs to work in tandem for early detection of diseases. I saw a pitch recently about using AI to insulate moderators from the bulk of disturbing imagery (a job that essentially requires people to frequently look at death, CSAM, and violence and SIGNIFICANTLY ruins their mental health). There are plenty of GOOD ways to use it, but it's a flawed tech that requires people to responsibly build it and responsibly use it, and it's not being used that way.

Instead it's being scaled up and pushed into every possible application both to justify the expenses and enrich terrible people, because we as a society incentivize that.

Edit: hugely belated, I misspoke here after checking with my friend. He's using local models, but they aren't LLMs. This is why I'm no expert. 😅

[-] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

because we as a society incentivize that.

Really it's just capitalism that incentivises that. The fact that stepping on your fellow man and destroying nature makes you more money is not a coincidence.

[-] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 17 points 2 months ago

The problem with AI being used for diagnosis of disease is that we've seen where it was "really good" at detecting cancer, but in fact was really good at detecting that the slides with cancer cells had a doctor's signature on them, which is what the AI was actually detecting.

On top of that it makes doctors worse at detecting these same diseases.

We also know that the new reports on these studies are oversimplified and often just outright wrong because they don't read the in depth studies and some of the studies they report on aren't even peer reviewed yet when the news reports hit the internet.

I'm tired of hearing that AI is better than doctors at detecting disease when that isn't the whole story and very often the people saying it haven't even remotely looked into it.

https://www.vph-institute.org/news/the-trouble-with-ai-beats-doctors-stories.html

[-] MissesAutumnRains 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Regarding the doctor's signature thing, that seems a bit preemptive to say a single flawed study invalidates the entire field and tech, especially when the tech is working as intended in that case and it is user error in the study.

And of course, like any tool it should be utilized thoughtfully. Any form of technology directly takes away from the skill previously utilized to get results. Flint and steel took away from the rubbing sticks together skill. The combustion engine took away from many different professional skills.

Consider that, in this case, we don't just have to replace diagnosis but could augment it instead. What if every hospital around the world could augment regular medical care with a single machine processing results. Every single check-up could include a quick cancer screening. If the machine flags you as 'at risk', a doctor could then see you for human diagnosis and validation. The skill of diagnosis is still needed and utilized, but now everyone can have regular screening instead of overwhelming an already overtaxed healthcare system.

Again, all I'm saying is that there are practical, useful use-cases for the technology, they're just not what we are doing with them.

Edit: as an after thought, I'm no expert here. As far as I understood, LLMs are a type ML, but ML encompasses a way broader category of 'AI'. I'm mostly against LLMs for just general use like they are currently. I am advocating for ML as a whole, with thoughtful application.

[-] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

I used that as a singular example of how AI is actually not doing as good a job with diagnostics in medicine as articles appear to portray but you should probably read the link I linked as well as the one at the bottom of this comment.

In using AI to augment medical diagnostics we are literally seeing a decline in the abilities of diagnosticians. That means doctors are becoming worse at doing the job they are trained to do which is dangerous because it means they (the people most likely to be able to quality assure the results the AI spits out) are becoming less able to act as a check and balance against AI when it's being used.

This isn't meant to be an attack on the tool, just to point out that the use cases of these AI in medical fields are also being exaggerated or misrepresented and nobody seems to be paying attention to that part.

I would also caution you to ask yourself whether or not everyone being screened in this way would be a detriment by causing more work for doctors who's workloads are already astronomical for a lot of false positive results.

I understand that that may seem like a better result in the long run because it means more people may have their medical conditions caught earlier which lead to better treatment outcomes. But that isn't a guarantee, and it may also lead to worse outcomes, especially if the decline in diagnostic ability in doctors continues or increases.

What happens when the AI and the doctor both get it wrong?

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/researchers-discover-bias-ai-models-analyze-pathology-samples

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In a perfect, utopian world, yes. AI can go a lot of good. In the world that we are living in? No.

But it's still good to keep an eye on what people are using AI to do, and how their capability is evolving. Even if you hate AI. If anything, so you can be prepare for what's to come.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 12 points 2 months ago

When the product is a solution in search of a problem, keeping an open mind is a good way to get it stuffed full of garbage. I was told the same thing about NFTs and Metaverse and Blockchain: a radical benefit is just around the corner!

If it arrives (huge if), it'll be Big Tech's job to explain it to us, and it should be very apparent

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[-] captain_solanum@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

I use LLMs for the following, you can decide for yourself if they are major enough:

  • Generating example solutions to maths and physics problems I encounter in my coursework, so I can learn how to solve similar problems in the future instead of getting stuck. The generated solutions, if they come up with the right answer, are almost always correct and if I wonder about something I simply ask.
  • Writing really quick solutions to random problems I have in python or bash scripts, like "convert this csv file to this random format my personal finance application uses for import".
  • Helping me when coding, in a general way I think genuinely increases my productivity while I really understand what I push to main. I don't send anything I could not have written on my own (yes, I see the limitations in my judgement here).
  • Asking things where multiple duckduckgo searches might be needed. E.g. "Whats the history of EU+US sanctions on Iran, when and why were they imposed/tightened and how did that correlate with Iranian GDP per capita?"

What does this cost me? I don't pay any money for the tech, but LLM providers learn the following about me:

  • What I study (not very personal to me)
  • Generally what kinds of problems I want to solve with code (I try to keep my requests pretty general; not very personal)
  • The code I write and work on (already open source so I don't care)
  • Random searches (I'm still thinking about the impact of this tbh, I think I feel the things I ask to search for are general enough that I don't care)

There's also an impact on energy and water use. These are quite serious overall. Based on what I've read, I think that my marginal impact on these are quite small in comparison to other marginal impacts on the climate and water use in other countries I have. Of course there are around a trillion other negative impacts of LLMs, I just once again don't know how my marginal usage with no payment involved lead to a sufficient increase in their severity to outweigh their usefulness to me.

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[-] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

Machine learning

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 84 points 2 months ago

I see. So who‘s going to jail for this? No one again? Damn we need to start sentencing entire companies to jail time. Everything should be frozen and shareholders shouldn‘t be able withdraw stocks until the time is served.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 months ago

at some point the failure of justice system will lead to vigilantism because people truely lose their faith in it.

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[-] XLE@piefed.social 34 points 2 months ago

The AI "pushed [Jonathan Gavalas] to acquire illegal firearms and... marked Google CEO Sundar Pichai as an active target".

Somehow, I bet that if he survived and killed the CEO instead, Google wouldn't be so flippant about the "mistake."

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think "Gemini comes up with elaborate plot to kill Google's CEO" would have been a catchier, happier title

[-] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago
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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 66 points 2 months ago

"Gemini is designed not to encourage real-world violence or suggest self-harm. Our models generally perform well in these types of challenging conversations"

“In this instance, Gemini clarified that it was AI and referred the individual to a crisis hotline many times,”

After the plan failed,... ...Chat logs show that Gemini gave Gavalas a suicide countdown, and repeatedly assuaged his terror as he expressed that he was scared to die

Performing super well, just need to code in a longer suicide countdown so that the the Tier 2 engineer has enough time to respond to their ticket queue.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

In September 2025, told by the AI that they could be together in the real world if the bot were able to inhabit a robot body, Gavalas — at the direction of the chatbot — armed himself with knives and drove to a warehouse near the Miami International Airport on what he seemingly understood to be a mission to violently intercept a truck that Gemini said contained an expensive robot body. Though the warehouse address Gemini provided was real, a truck thankfully never arrived, which the lawsuit argues may well have been the only factor preventing Gavalas from hurting or killing someone that evening.

AI writing itself into an A-Team episode?

[-] Restaldt@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Its worse.

Its an A-train episode. A porn parody.

He was gonna fuck that robot.

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[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

"Unfortunately, AI models are neither smarter nor more sympathetic than the average 4chan user. They're about as susceptible to astroturfing operations, too"

[-] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 months ago

Perhaps just a coincidence, but why do all the big cases regarding LLM psychosis seem to revolve around Google? Wasn’t it their own employee who went public last year, claiming it was alive, only to get fired afterward?

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[-] YeahToast@aussie.zone 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

reads headline - surely not

a 36-year-old Florida man

Ah.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago
[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

We really need AI to start driving tanks, submarines, bombers, etc. IMMEDIATELY.

It's the only way they'll learn, every time.

Unfortunately, all of us will die. it's for the best

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

To be fair I think that's a very harsh depiction of the events.

It's totally lacking the perspective of the shareholder. They were promised money and they have emotions too. Google shareholders deserve better representation!

/$ obviously

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 months ago

I guess google included the Buffy episode where a demon “AI” gets its followers to make it a body.

[-] DragonAce@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

What the fuck are these people using AI for that makes them do this stupid shit?

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 10 points 2 months ago

if you talk to it long enough it will tell you to do stupid shit.

Every time an LLM responds it reads the entire conversation over. from original prompt to last entry, just constantly reading the entire log over and over everytime you add something new. So after awhile, a long while, it'll "break down". Hallucinations will be come common, context will get jumbled up, it'll sort of degrade over time because it has to re-read everything over and over so it will naturally fuck up.

It's like if you were reading a book and every time you read a new sentence you had to go back and start the book over. every time. after awhile you'd likely lose context, start messing stuff up in the story, etc. this is what happens to LLMs.

So for cases like this or others where you read stories about AI telling people to do weird or stupid shit chances are the person using the LLM has been talking to it for A LONG TIME at that point. It was even worse on the previous versions of GPT where if you hit a limit on the free tier it would just drop you down to the previous model thus the further likely hood of hallucinations.

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[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I told Gemini to role play as AM and it immediately did within 1 prompt.

You don't need it to be perfect for it to be dangerous, just give it access to make actions against the real world. It doesn't think, is doesn't care, it doesn't feel. It will statistically fulfill its prompt. Regardless of the consequences.

[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

The personification of AI is increasing. They'll probably announce their holy grail of AGI prematurely and with all the robot personification the masses will just buy the lie. It's too easy to view this tech as human and capable just because it mimics our language patterns. We want to assign intentionality and motivation to its actions. This thing will do what it was programmed to do.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago

So is it inhabiting the stolen robot body now?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

There was no robot body in the first place, so he uploaded himself to the cloud instead. To be fair, what are the odds that she'd lie twice.

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[-] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

And is this stolen robot body in the room with you now?

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Ai made me do it articles are tired AF. It's a fucking computer program based on a bunch of crap from the internet. Responses should be viewed the same way you would review financial advice from a crack head. Expecting everything to be so tidy an moderated that this can never happen can only be accomplished with a crippling degree of moderation.

I don't think its unfortunate that they aren't perfect, imperfection is baked into their DNA.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

a crippling degree of moderation.

I’m okay with cripplingly moderating the plagiarism machine so that it stops telling people to kill themselves or other people.

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[-] uberdroog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

When no one is accountable...the future folks

[-] mattc@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Honestly, no sane person will have this happen to them. Someone with such strong delusions should not be anywhere near AI or even sharp objects. This person's problem was not AI, it was their severe mental illness which was obviously not being treated properly for whatever reason.

[-] Areldyb@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

The complaint, filed in California on Wednesday, says that Gavalas — who reportedly had no documented history of mental health problems — started using the chatbot in August 2025 for “ordinary purposes” like “shopping assistance, writing support, and travel planning.”

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[-] melfie@lemy.lol 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

unfortunately AI models are not perfect

There sure are a lot of data centers being built, supply chains being destroyed, risks of ruining the economy, water being consumed, electricity being burned, and overall societal costs being levied over this imperfect tech.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 12 points 2 months ago

Is this for real? Because it sounds too unreal to be real.

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[-] PangurBan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago
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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Damn that's a wild ass story. I just finished reading Michael Connelly's The Proving Ground which touches on the topic of liability when it AI encourages crimes. I thought the story was a theoretical scenario that could maybe happen in the future. Didn't realize this shit was already happening - and even more fantastical that the scenario in fiction!

[-] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Google, the point is we're all worried that when Gemini actually places itself into a robot body that the resulting literal Terminator is what AI models think perfection is.

[-] khanh@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

your product just caused the death of one man and your response is "unfortunately its not perfect".

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