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We have decided some brain quirks are disorders (and get accommodations, as is compassionate), whilst others are flaws (and get slurs). But no one picks their hardware. You cannot earn a better prefrontal cortex or deserve a calmer amygdala. Nor does one get to pick the environment they are born in, which will inform their choices later in life. Even the capacity to "learn better" is a roll of the dice, some brains start the race with sprinting shoes, others with lead weights.

So when we call someone stupid, lazy or insane we are not describing a choice, but simply announcing which kinds of unlucky we’ve decided are worthy of scorn.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

You can be autistic, ADHD, have some horrible upbringing, have some other genetic thing.. you can have any of those things, but you're still accountable for your actions.

Knowing that someone has those things absolutely helps increase empathy and understanding and assist them with those things.

But a killer is still a killer, even if they did it while suffering with other issues.

[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 13 points 3 months ago

Accountability? Yes, accountability is good. It’s proper and necessary to address harmful actions and ensure steps are taken to prevent recurrence. This is entirely possible, and likely more effective, without resorting to insult.

Insults are just punitive justice in a social context: a counterproductive way to discharge outrage rather than foster change. It is to temporarily soothe the egoic zealot lurking within the hearts of all. The research is clear: whether in criminal justice or interpersonal conflict, rehabilitative approaches (clear boundaries, restorative dialogue, support) reduce harm more effectively than punishment alone.

To believe that hate may be remedied with further hate is to mistake fire for water.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8196268/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00938548251335322

[-] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

Ah, first world boredom.

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 12 points 3 months ago

I'm not one to call people names with the intention of hurting their feelings, and I don't even believe in free will to begin with. But if I were to call someone an idiot, it wouldn't come from the assumption that they actively choose to be one or that they could choose otherwise. No, they're helplessly an idiot - and I'm just making a factual statement about the world.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

You don't believe in free will, OP? Just curious.

[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 7 points 3 months ago
[-] Carighan@piefed.world 11 points 3 months ago
[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So far as I have been shown:

People ask not to be born.

People ask not to be born to the parents they are blessed or cursed with.

People ask not for the environment within which their formative formative years occur.

So far as I have been shown, no angel descents from the heavens to bestow upon everyone equally the magical gift of just knowing right from wrong. Indeed, the very idea of right and wrong are wholly dependent on the circumstance of one's birth. Did their mother whisper them tales of evil men who would lay with another, or did a kindly neighbor teach them the value of kindness and friendship? Or were they beset by men addled by inherited hatred and were they taught to wield a gun before they even knew love? 'Tis true most people will know pain from pleasure, but even what you perceive as pain and what as pleasure depends upon how you formed before you set eyes on the world. As we share most other features that make us human, we can assume what hurts you will hurt another, what pleases you will please another - but there is ever an exception to every rule. It is but a human tendency to associate most pleasure with good, and most pain as evil. Useful one to be sure, if one values the well-being of one's kin. But an universal truth it is not.

If you say some people turn to evil no matter how they were taught: how then could they choose to be different? If you say some people turn kind regardless of any suffering they had to endure: how then could they have chosen otherwise?

Furthermore, you yourself do not even know the nature of the next thought before it has already revealed itself. Think now of an animal.

Did you know what animal would manifest in your mind before it already found purchase within it?

If you say you may deliberate a thought before a choice is made, how did the choice to deliberate come about? You do not know if you will ponder a choice for an eternity before you have already done so. You may say "I'll think about it" but you do not know if you have thought about it, before you have thought about it. You did not choose the tendency. And if you say, you chose to learn: how did you know you were going to choose to learn, before you were learning it?

No, I do not believe in free will. It is but an artifact of ideologies that cater to our more base desire of being utterly beyond reproach of other women and men. It pleases the zealot in our hearts who wants to think of itself as the paragon of virtue. For if there is no absolute good or evil, and no inherent ability to choose one from the other, how would it partake in the joy of judging others to be lesser than it? It could not. It would have to see itself as no better than the most heinous of criminals, but for the circumstances of its life. This is the bitterest of pills to swallow, and thus even those of us most conscious to these realities gag when faced with that which truly offends us. Which is why this is no mere lever you pull in your brain and have it be set once and for all. No, it takes lifelong vigilance, facing the zealot every time it reaches for the gavel and fixing it with your unrelenting attention, until it recedes back into the darkest corner of your heart. There is may merely be an advisor to your desire to do good in the world, but no more.

[-] Gathorall@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Now then, you're only upset about this because you were programmed to be. Those people calling other aren't bad for calling someone stupid or lazy if they don't have free will.

If you assume free will doesn't exist, evil or good doesn't either. Murder or curing cancer, it's like the sun shining, and inavoidable, neutral fact. Of course you may dismiss this as rambling idiocy, but I won't hold it against a clockwork automaton.

[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Those people calling other aren’t bad for calling someone stupid or lazy if they don’t have free will.

You have grasped it.

If you assume free will doesn’t exist, evil or good doesn’t either.

Correct.

Murder or curing cancer, it’s like the sun shining, and inavoidable, neutral fact.

Correct.

Of course you may dismiss this as rambling idiocy, but I won’t hold it against a clockwork automaton.

No, you have grasped exactly what I said, at least on the level of the intellect. I realize of course you resist as it goes against what you merely WISH to be true. This I cannot do anything about, as you said. But you have understood perfectly. Well done!

[-] Gathorall@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well, this conversation is really pointless then. Kind of embarrassing that the universe compelled you to post this drivel regarding a fight against nothing, but it can't be helped.

I wonder why you insist on a language of agency if it isn't what you believe.

[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh if only humanity did have an universally agreed upon meaning and point, so much strife could be avoided. Alas, such a thing does not exist in reality, but only in the minds of people. Those ever malleable and shifting minds.

I do as I do because because I am compelled, indeed! Because I wish to see less cruelty in the world. It is simplicity itself. And if I spoke in full truth, I would never say anything at all.

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[-] Datz@szmer.info 4 points 3 months ago

Could this comment then maybe affect the chain of your future thoughts, and result in you seeking a psychologist?

[-] oreoreore@lemy.lol 5 points 3 months ago

You suggest I see a psychologist, yet psychology confirms my point: we are the products of our neurobiology and our environments.

If you believe there is a part of the human mind that exists outside of cause and effect, I’d love to see the clinical study that located it.

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That makes sense.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago

Yes, of course they stay, because there are stupid, lazy, crazy idiots. need words for them too.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

Add to the list:

Asshole, cretin, piece of shit, maniac, psychopath, pedophile, pervert, jerk, narcissist, self-centered prick, dickhead, douchebag, and incel.

There's probably some history behind why people act the way they do. Maybe they were molested as a child, so that's why they find sex with kids appealing.

Edit: I just remembered I made a similar comment in an Ask Lemmy thread recently.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I get what you saying, but do you really really REALLY want us to sympathise Trump supporter?

[-] Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

I don’t think OP is suggesting we sympathize with the ideology or the harm it causes. There is a vital distinction between empathy as an alignment and empathy as a diagnostic tool.

Understanding the cognitive or mental health mechanics that lead to radicalization isn't about giving someone a 'pass.' It’s about having the clarity to see the situation for what it is. If we don't understand the 'why' behind how people are manipulated, we can't effectively dismantle the systems that recruit them.

True compassion in a political sense isn't about being 'nice' to someone spouting hate; it’s about having the clarity to address the root cause of the behavior rather than just reacting to the symptoms with more hate. It’s possible to hold a boundary against someone’s actions while still being mindful of the human vulnerabilities that landed them there.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago

"Retard" has been making a comeback, too, I think.

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[-] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I’m not looking in their file and saying “ahh yea it says you have the stupid. I guess I’m calling you stupid.”

[-] LonelySea@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago

Oh no, some stupidity is definitely a choice and deserves to be called out as such.

Also, I don't think insane is always used as scorn. Just a description.

[-] desra@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I hate to say it but those words, especially said by someone else to describe a person they refuse to empathize with, I take it with a grain of salt.

Stupid & insane can mean not by choice and as we’ve seen in the case of politics, it can also be a choice, or more like very stupid and insane decisions.

That said it can also be words used by a shitty society meant to extract as much “value” from everything as possible and sees people as a commodity to be used up and discarded.

So every asshole with a LinkedIn calling people stupid, lazy or insane has me wondering if they’re not the ones who are so unaware they call anything that questions the status quo sTuPiD, or refusing to follow others blindly and just do what their told, LaZy.

If those who refuse to participate in this assbackwards “community” we’ve created are iNsAnE.

[-] Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I still suffer from the Dunning Kruger Effect...

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