This post caused me to look up what changed: sadly they aren't exiting the consumer space but rather are just ceasing to include lane-keeping in their basic package to instead require new customers who want it to pay a monthly subscription fee for what they amusingly call "Full Self Driving (Supervised)".
Yup. Self-driving cars will never truly be possible with unpredictable humans still driving the other cars on the road. Maybe if you could put a true AGI into a car.
We could have self-driving cars with today's technology if the only other vehicles on the road were also self-driving and all interconnected via a mesh network with each other and the other critical road infrastructure like intersections.
But if on today's roads if you want a truly Level 5 self-driving car where you get in the car in your driveway and say "take me to Burger King", you'll need an AGI in the car.
A train is so much easier if you don't want to drive. But billionaires don't want trains.
As much as I am a big fan, and user of public transportation, saying it's just because billionaires don't want trains is a bit disingenuous in my opinion. A car is simply much more convenient than public transportation. If I wanted to go to burger king from my house, right now, I could walk 5 minutes to the train station, jump on the train, take that for about 2 minutes to the next station, jump off and walk another 10 minutes to burger king. So like, 17-ish minutes. If I went there to get takeaway for both me and my wife her food would be cold before coming back, even if we live in a scenario where the trains match up perfectly as to avoid any waiting times at the station.
Lets call it a roundtrip of 35 minutes just to get a burger. Again, assuming that the trains, because they are so incredibly wellfunded in this scenario, that I can step on a train pretty much any time I need, instead of the hour it is at the moment.
If I were to take my car, the same distance would take me 5 minutes. So a roundtrip of 10 minutes.
When I take the train to work, I need to bring my bike along because trains don't stop in front of the factory. Time from set off to arrival is about 45 minutes. In my car I can get there in 15 minutes. That's 60 minutes of wasted time per day.
My point is, taking trains is not going to work for a whole lot of people, and brushing them and their needs off because of it isn't going to solve anything.
I still remember redditors telling me with supreme confidence in 2015 that there would be self driving cars in five years, all truckers would be unemployed, and there would be no more traffic accidents.
I bet they don't remember that though.
Back then, I figured we’d have self-driving cars and boots on Mars by now. My perception of the world sure has changed a lot since then.
They are looking down at you, laughing from Mars.
Hope they enjoy the oxide-filled soil and the lack of air.
It has hit the limits because moron Musk insists on Teslas using only camera, and not camera + radar and laser, like other successful self-driving cars do.
not camera + radar and laser, like other successful self-driving cars do.
camera + radar and laser ....and guys in the Phillipines.
Maybe, but the other guys with lidar are using 1.8 RDP'd in Filipino drivers (without US driving licenses) per car... so maybe its a pipe dream either way.
Ditching lidar was madness, at least if you care about safety. Musk might’ve had a few brain cells left at one point, but the nonstop dose of horse‑tranquilizer is clearly wearing him out. He and his pals love llms because they see themselves in those bots: great at spitting out slick word chains, but with zero real understanding of anything.
They are exiting due to musk shooting his mouth off and not being to really compete with anyone.
He wants to build robots so he can end up taking cats with opposable thumbs to Mars.
Its a much more likely scenario than him getting there.
Musk not going to Mars anymore. Musk exiting Tesla consumer space. Ha! Ha! Haaaa! The inevitable collapse of his entire house of cards has begun! Soon he will join the fent zombies he so despised, leaning in the street!
Self-Driving works decently in predictable environments but anything outside of those limits can make it literally crash and burn.
Public road transportation by individuals just has too many cases where real decision-making is required.
Despite all their resources, I think they’ve given up. All the brilliant engineers and scientists have given up, because they know what we’ve suspected for a long time.
I mean, Waymo is still actively expanding to new cities and expanding its coverage areas within cities.
Tesla may have given up on the consumer market for that reason if they were banking on a super llm based self driving system, or it could just be because they got burned when Elon rallied consumers against them.
Waymo palms off the hard decisions to a human in the Philippines.
New innovations in slave labor
And yet they still can’t move the car during an emergency.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/next-level-dystopian-waymo-robotaxi-150000054.html
The people in the Phillipines can't move the car, but their event response team can move the car at a very slow speed to get it off the road. E.g highway lane to shoulder.
Last I heard they claim to have never used it though outside testing it.
Maybe the overseas driver was on lunch break.
And every one of those decisions is more data they'll feed the machine.
There has to be a point where you've got enough edge cases and bizarre situations where you have the data to train the LLM on how to deal with them.
I doubt our dystopian future is completely human-less, but you can probably plot a graph that projects the number of human interventions required for every thousand miles driven and that graph probably has a trend going downwards.
Then you move to another city that has more edge cases and repeat the process. Google can afford the slow rollout, Tesla can't.
Nitpick: that's machine learning, not an LLM
But trans people in Kansas can't drive... How TF is that even legal?
You lost me at "misnomered as AI". Artificial intelligence as a branch of Computer Science is a broad field covering not only LLMs - themselves a sub-branch of Deep Learning - but also Fuzzy Logic, Bayesian Reasoning and other statistical methods.
By any canonical definition; LLMs very much are AI.
Perhaps you meant 'AGI' as in Artificial General Intelligence which means 'human level across every domain'. Or, perhaps you know this and we're just being snarky about their current capabilities.
They're saying that people are now referring to AI as LLMs only.
Misnomer: "an adjective used to describe a person, place, or thing that has been given an incorrect, inappropriate, or unsuitable name or designation"
It's like when you keep calling all squares rectangles. Yes it is technically correct, however, its an unsuitable name. Its misleading.
I would also add to this and highlight that the average person does not differentiate between AI and AGI - I'd bet most haven't even heard of AGI
Supposedly Musky is going to build robots instead of cars.
not supposed, he shut down two Teslur models and is tooling to make sexbots.
Onwards to the next grift!
Right after we colonize Mars. Any day now!
to be fair with ketamine, elons musks brain is already there.
he build taxis that runs people over.
Next year!
Hold on, wait, whoa, really? The great and respectable Tesla has to exit the consumer space? What? No! Surely big brain genuis can find a solution! They can't? Wow. I am sure each and every one of you will have wet sloppy pillows tonight, from all the crying! I am shocked! Shocked I say!!!
.......actually, not that shocked.
elon is probably hopefully to leech of govt contracts ever.
Tesla sunset two of their models, three still for sale and being built. Definitely not giving up on AI or FSD, they are doubling down on cybercab, and elons pay package is tied to FSD subscriptions. If anything, the messaging is they are ramping up AI investment. Humans crash and burn regularly too. Brilliant engineers have definitely not given up, I'm not sure why anyone would think that. AI has continued to improve pretty steadily in all areas (see benchmarks)
Elon won't give up, he can't fathom not being right about something.
Usually far right about something
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