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QatarEnergy, the world's largest producer of natural gas, just got bombed.

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[-] Ascendor@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 4 days ago

Wow wow wow!

Wait, let's do what's always important when looking at wow wow wow graphs: Check scale. Ok, you're looking at a period of a day. Let's look at more.

Wow wow wow. This is what we are looking at. NOTHING happened. Really nothing.

[-] Melchior@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago
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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 171 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It seems to me that every major conflict (Russia, Middle East) spikes oil prices, relatively unpredictably (if you can call this unpredictable).

Maybe the world should look for alternative sources of energy, which are abundant, cheap, and can be deployed non centrally?

No. No that’s insane.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 days ago

These prices are literally controlled by price-fixing cartels.

But Europe is investing hundreds of billions in North Sea wind farms to generate hydrogen for heating, it was initiated by Putin's actions.

https://www.cip.com/projects/our-projects/hydrogen-island/

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 17 points 4 days ago

Now we just have to hope that people dont dig up this bullshit idea of using hydrogen to heat your own house.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago

There's really nothing wrong with generating hydrogen when power costs are negative.

Except that only happens like 500 hours a year.

And hydrogen will leak from any tank.

And it turns metal brittle.

And I wouldn't trust my neighbor with a propane tank, let alone hydrogen.

And its nearly impossible to transport through existing infrastructure.

But other than that, its great!

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You forgot about the part where the possibility of generating hydrogen cleanly from electricity later is used as an excuse to build infrastructure and fuel-cell cars for it now, even though hydrogen now is dirty hydrogen produced by cracking fossil fuels.

I have no confidence that the second phase of switching to electrolysis would actually happen, and that "the hydrogen economy" isn't just a greenwashing scam perpetrated by natural gas producers.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

What's that? I couldn't hear you over the nonstop greenwashing of gas cracking plants.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

The pedofile parasite class says no

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If only we had some way of generating energy independent of oil and fossil fuels.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Unfortunately, we don't, because those take a long time to build and we keep putting it off.

And the other option requires batteries that take a long time to make, and we only just started on that.

Edit: why am I getting downvoted for complaining about how pretty much every western government isnt doing enough to transition to other power sources?

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

'Nuclear takes too long to build' has been an argument against nuclear for several times longer than it takes to build even the most stringently safe nuclear power plant... its depressing.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago

Nah. All it takes is investment and commitment to treating electricity like a utility beyond the profit imperative. Look at what China is doing with sodium-ion batteries.

[-] French75@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 days ago

We've had hydroelectric, wind, and nuclear energy for a long time.

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[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 56 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Good. Fuck being dependent on dictators for our energy. Renewables is the only way forward. European energy for Europeans.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Let‘s see how willing EU leaders are to stand with Ukraine when Moscow promises cheap gas tomorrow. I am genuinely frightened.

[-] CarstenBoll@feddit.dk 2 points 3 days ago

I mean, prices are muuuuch lower than in 2022, and no one wants Ukraine to lose. Europe is going nowhere on this.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago

Economy is imploding because people don't want to pick between switching to green energy and not murdering brown people.

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[-] Melchior@feddit.org 45 points 4 days ago

And the German government wants to end the sales ban for gas boilers. 55% of German gas consumption is used to heat buildings. So this is a key part of reducing consumption. Another case of a conservative government hurting Germany badly.

[-] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 32 points 4 days ago

I'm laughing because I went with Habeck's advice and installed a simple heat exchanger in my house that is hooked up to a centralized community heating system that runs on sustainable heat sources. Because Habeck, imperfect as he may have been, had a realistic view on things that was rooted in scientific data.

Fuck the CDU and fuck the SPD, fucking class-traitor scumbags.

[-] Yliaster@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Switch to renewable already. Or at least, this is part of why we should've prior.

Right now it's gonna sting cause these aren't the typa changes that happen overnight.

[-] AlexLost@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Hello world! Canada has LNG we are looking to bring to market. Wink wink nudge nudge

[-] plyth@feddit.org 16 points 4 days ago

We buy the much more expensive US fracking gas. That spike is a minor blip to Europe.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The European Commission has a website listing the top gas suppliers to Europe
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/where-does-the-eu-s-gas-come-from/

Our main suppliers are, as of 2025:

  • Norway - 31.1%
  • United States - 25.4%
  • Russia - 13.1%
  • North Africa - 12.8%
  • United Kingdom - 4.3%
  • Qatar - 3.8%

While Qatar doesn't provide a huge proportion of European gas, it's not insignificant either. A disruption in the supply of Qatari gas could very easily cause prices to go up by a lot.

Edit: It's almost as if we should do everything in our power to rid ourselves of the dependency on fossil fuels.

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[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 days ago

It's not just about where european countries buy, there's a global market, it's about who bought gas from Qatar and where they will buy their gas now. AFAIK Qatar exports a lot to asian countries, if they can't get gas from Qatar anymore they're going to buy from other countries, for example from the USA. That's going to raise the price for US fracking gas and will affect Europe.

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[-] F_State@midwest.social 8 points 4 days ago

Have we reached the find out phase of fucking around?

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[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

Go green or go broke!

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Y'know, usually the markets price things in well before they happened, but there was a whole lot of hopium this time that somehow a large-scale Middle Eastern war would not effect fossil fuel production and shipping.

Edit: I don't like that everyone's upvoting this. Less regulation is usually better, and family is important. There you go, de-pandered.

[-] broom@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago

Oh dear. Please drive a bit slower or take a train...

[-] remon@ani.social 11 points 4 days ago

It's natural gas, not petrol.

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