DISCLAIMER: Arch Linux is not a beginner friendly distribution, and this is not a recommendation or good practice.
I know how to use pacman -S. I have yet to experience a Discover related issue after months of use.
It should be “yay [wanted program]” instead of “KDE discovery” in my opinion
Paru
Does yay integrate with flatpack and snap?
Why the hell would I want snap?
AUR pkgbuild files are basically just bash scripts. You can integrate them with anything.
Installing something on arch is easy imo. The CLI is simple and well enough documented, and the package build system is easy to use. For comparison with ubuntu: pacman -S name is not harder than apt install name. And try to install something on ubuntu if it's not in the official package repos.
ubuntu: pacman -S name is not harder than apt install name.
Eh, it's a teensy bit harder, since you have to remember what -S means, rather than the easy to remember and plain English 'install'. But, yeah, not much of a difference.
And try to install something on ubuntu if it’s not in the official package repos.
1: Go to that something's website.
2: look for their download/install instructions page, scroll to Linux instructions if necessary.
3: Install instructions for Debian/Ubuntu are usually the first one listed, and typically just consist of a few commands you can copy and paste over without modifying.
It isn't particularly difficult in most cases.
4: those commands were written for previous version of Ubuntu and now dependency tree doesn't compute, also one of the commands is to add their custom repo, and you don't have keys for it so it doesn't work anyway. You try to remove the bad repo and now your apt is all fucked. You regenerate your repo list, googled the package and your version name, random stackexchage page gave you their live repo, but it needs a newer version of a library that incompatible with 54 of something that you already have. You learn about snap, installed 43Gb of something, it exists but still doesn't really work because package maintaiers didn't actually move it to snap, it was someone else. By this point you copy-pasted so many commands into your terminal you afraid it gained sentience. You call your more computer literate friend, he starts saying something about incompatible dependancies, containers, and you don't really understand much. By the end, you decide that you didn't actually want the software.
Later you discover that your sound doesn't work anymore, and there is an error when you reboot.
Good ending: you installed Arch, installed yay and instead of remembering unmemorable -S you just do yay package_name and you're very happy with your choices.
Did pacman get packagekit support or are we just talking about flatpaks here?
Arch Wiki has still this warning
Warning
As explained in a GitHub comment by a Package Maintainer, "Handling system packages via packagekit is just fundamentally incompatible with our high-maintenance rolling release distro, where any update might leave the system in an unbootable or otherwise unusable state if the user does not take care reading pacman's logs or merging pacnew files before rebooting."
So its less about lack of packagekit support in pacman and more about lack of manual intervention features in GUI software managers?
it is more about arch's philosy being your system may not boot next update, happens pretty much no where else, except windows, manjaro and sometimes ubuntu
My last Fedora version upgrade was a test of my troubleshooting skills, for sure.
Octopi is a decent compromise: https://linuxvox.com/blog/octopi-linux/
Did pacman get packagekit support
It appears using pacman on Arch is the recommended method for the repos, per this issue adding warnings: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/merge_requests/829
or are we just talking about flatpaks here
https://apps.kde.org/discover/ ->
"With Discover, you can manage software from multiple sources, including your operating system's software repository, Flatpak repos, the Snap store, or even AppImages from store.kde.org."
So, were talking about flatpaks.
IME, KDE Discover and similar app stores are so unreliable, telling beginners to use them is akin to harmful misinformation
If you need a GUI software manager, my suggestion is to not use arch
Hard agree. I always struggled when using Discover, as a Beginner. Don't know if I could make it work now as a more experienced user, Because I don't use it and don't have a need to. Learning how to use 'pacman -S $pkg_name' was super simple and is very fast. Sure I don't have a nice GUI, that lets me browse what apps are there to be installed, but I have a webbrowser for that.
If you need a GUI software manager, my suggestion is to not use arch
Arch is actually great for beginners, way better than usual alternatives like Ubuntu for example. If you need a GUI software manager, Arch or Arch derivatives are still better than a lot of the rest.
Besides, a lot of people like fancy GUIs, nothing wrong with that. You're right that graphic app stores aren't amazing, but that's shouldn't be the norm then. I will still do everything in CLI, but I will vehemently defend our less technically advanced bretheren's right to click their mouse on the colourful buttons
To be clear I'm not against GUI software managers, just had bad experiences with KDE Discover... and I don't trust anyone who recommends Arch for beginners...
If you never want to see a terminal just use Mint or whatever
why do people get intimidated by installing an arch package?
i recently wanted to play morrowind and i use the terminal like a search engine for programs. i just typed "yay openmw" and voila it was there, checked in the aur if the package is clean and installed it by clicking enter 3 times.
and i thout "yay ^_^ that was easy! :3", got off a ship in seyda neen and killed fargoth with my bare fists as soon as i locked eyes with him.
why do people assume I get intimidated by installing an arch package?
I'm not an expert, but I thought on Arch you are specifically not supposed to use the discover store because it can cause partial updates which can in turn cause major problems.
However, the point still stands, pacman and the AUR are easy and have nearly everything.
The AUR is a great resource but it's also being sold as a package repository users don't need to actively think about or understand. I honestly think malware is going to be much more common on the AUR if we aren't careful.
Eh. I haven't had issues for a few months and I back up my files on a weekly basis and -Syu once or twice a month. Worst case scenario, I'll just reinstall and restore from backup.
Also, I mainly use Discover for high level stuff like browsers and IDEs.
As a Debian slut this level of sweating over updates is wild to me.
Yeah but imagine reading about a new release of something and it appearing in your updates the same day. Shiny new software every day is addicting.
On the flip side, reading about an exploited vulnerability in a package and then realizing your machine isn't affected because Debian has an outdated package in it's repo
Yay -S "Am I a joke for you?"
I've just been using yay, what does the -S do am I missing something important?
-S, --sync
Synchronize packages. Packages are installed directly from the remote repositories, including all dependencies required to run the packages.
Technically correct answer but not super helpful imo.
yay <package name> starts a search from which you enter your selection(s) from matches. yay -S <package name> installs the package directly, errors if it's not found
The original image gives me strong "Shepard, Tali, and Garrus doing shenanigans" vibes.
Pamac is great too, and it can run all your updates at shutdown.
Pacman -Syu java
Windows users : 😨😨😰
Im sorry for all actual arch users, who are contrary to all stereotypes, not posers. If you feel the need to use Arch, and then use kde discover, or any other gui, and flatpak based installers, why are you using it in the first place?
The CLI way, and btw the ACTUAL way the devs intended to install mainstream software for YOUR distro, is legitimately far less hard than any of you make it seem like.
So, if you plan on using your distro correctly, and plan on stability, use your lovely package manager, or switch. You can get a rolling release distro everywhere else too, you can change every system file, everywhere else, you can change your fucking fast-/neofetch output, if you need to.
Just use a distro that is for your skill level.
Btw its:
Pacman, and then -S for install, -y for your repos, and -u is for updates.
So do me a favor and dont try to suffer.
Thanks for reading my mindless babbling and weird, maybe even contradictory logic, have fun :3
Having steam installed both ways was the easiest way to be logged in to 2 steam accounts simultaneously.
But also why does it matter, the whole point of arch is that you can turn it into whatever the hell you want. If that means using discover as your main source for programs, then so be it.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux
sudo pacman -S (name), far easier than any gui in my opinion.
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