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As details of the death toll for January’s protests continue to emerge, three students explain why they are resisting a return to normality

More than 45 days after a brutal January crackdown that left thousands of Iranian protesters dead, students across several universities are protesting again. As Iran’s new academic term began on Saturday, students in Tehran gathered on campus, chanting anti-government slogans, despite a heavy security presence and plainclothes officers stationed outside university gates.

The Guardian spoke to protesting students about why they were rallying despite the fact that thousands had been killed and tens of thousands arrested in the January demonstrations.

“Our classrooms are empty because the graveyards are full,” said Hossein*, 21, a student at the University of Tehran. “It’s for them – our friends, classmates and compatriots, who were gunned down in front of our eyes, that we decided to boycott the classes.”

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[-] itslilith 121 points 5 days ago

The protests are good and justified, all power to the Iranian people. Iran deserves a second revolution, after the first one was taken over by the Mullahs for their own goals.

But it's genuinely disheartening how readily nominally progressive spaces are jumping abord the manufactured consent for an imperialist military intervention by Israel and the US.

How, exactly, will bombing Iranian cities help their liberation? Or even if they succeed with deposing the Mullah regime, is anyone really expecting self determination by the Iranian people afterwards? We're seen how the Shar's son is pushed as the next US puppet government by US- and Israeli media (and their European allies).

The Iranian people, not just the current regime, are supportive of Palestine, and Israel and the US absolutely cannot accept that. Don't cheer for imperialist intervention.

[-] desertdruid 22 points 5 days ago

at this point I'm don't understand it but I can see it as a possible future for a lot of Latin America

we are watching in real time how Venezuela is transforming into a US colony

right now Fidel's grandson is allegedly making deals with the US gov (while the US asks Mexico to stop any deals involving gas with Cuba)

and here in Mexico the state is so corrupt and the US propaganda is running strong for an intervention like the one in Venezuela (and what happened yesterday just made it worse)

[-] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The american savages are drooling at the prospect of colonizing Latin America as part of their future war effort with china. They will plant propaganda everywhere to steal from the global south as the death throes of their crumbling empire.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How, exactly, will bombing Iranian cities help their liberation?

Same way that kidnapping Maduro liberates Venezuela. And embargoing gasoline liberates Cuba. And sending ground troops into Denmark liberates Greenland.

The Iranian people, not just the current regime, are supportive of Palestine, and Israel and the US absolutely cannot accept that.

Under Shah Reza Pahlavi, they will crush Hamas and Hezbollah, defeat ISIS, and end Woke Gay Iranian Antifa once and for all.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago

“But we know the regime can no longer kill students on campus and call us terrorists … We are not afraid of losing our lives. We all are willing to put our lives on the line so at least the next generations of this country will live in freedom and peace.”

Very great to hear and gives me so much hope for the future.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

weapons of mass destruction ass consent manufacturing excuse. they meaning to tell me more people died in iran rn than gaza.

i don't believe a word from murderous us media or their nazi leadership.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 days ago
[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago

and manufacturing consent for a us invasion of iran, yes.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 days ago

That's a claim you'd need to provide evidence for. Really, really good evidence.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Will you accept evidence? Or will you downvote and call me a Russian bot?

  1. Treating invasion as a morally acceptable “option” (“lesser evil”) The Guardian explicitly described military intervention in Iraq as potentially justified: “We argued that it would be justified as a ‘lesser evil’…”

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/jan/26/letters.iraq1

That’s a classic consent-making move: the debate becomes when invasion is justified, not whether the West has the right to invade at all.

  1. Amplifying government “humanitarian” justification after the fact (Libya) On Libya, the Guardian reported (without challenging the premise in the headline or framing) the UK government defending Nato’s intervention as life-saving:

“the government argued its actions ‘undoubtedly’ saved civilian lives in Libya.” “required decisive and collective international action”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/25/british-government-intervention-libya-saved-lives

Even when the article notes criticism, this kind of repetition of official justification is exactly what sourcing/agenda-setting critiques focus on.

  1. Making war plans sound like “policy tools” (Syria no-fly zone)

A no-fly zone is an act of war (you enforce it with force). But it’s often discussed as a humanitarian “measure.” The Guardian’s reporting frames it that way:

“a potential no-fly zone over Syria to protect civilians”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/may-questions-syria-no-fly-zone-proposal

And then the debate becomes technocratic (“who enforces it?”) rather than moral/anti-imperial (“who gets to control Syrian airspace?”). Example of that framing inside the piece: “Who would enforce that safe area?”

  1. “All sides / cycle of violence” symmetry (Gaza) A common liberal-media pattern is treating a radically unequal situation as a tragic “both sides” spiral. In a Gaza editorial the Guardian writes:

“All sides should contribute to halting the cycle of violence”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/13/guardian-view-conflict-in-gaza

Same editorial also uses the legitimacy gateway line: “Israel has a right to defend itself”

And frames it in a way to not directly endorse it, but still assert it by not stating the objectively moral rebuttal: Gaza has the right to defend itself.

Here they outright assert it: “Israel has a right to defend itself and a duty to protect its citizens.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/the-guardian-view-on-gazas-casualties-mounting-calls-for-a-ceasefire-must-be-heeded

This is a very strong legitimising phrasing because it implies the violence is mainly a matter of proper execution rather than structural injustice / siege / occupation: “Israel has a right to defend itself by all legitimate means.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/07/observer-view-only-ceasefire-save-israel-from-crisis

This is exactly the kind of moral language that can slide into collective punishment logic (even if the editorial later adds caveats): “Hamas had to be punished severely and forcibly dislodged from its perch in Gaza.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/06/the-observer-view-on-the-middle-east-a-year-on-there-is-only-one-way-to-a-credible-peace

This rhetorical move invites readers to inhabit the state’s mindset. another common consent mechanism: “Confronted by all this, Israelis ask, reasonably enough: what would you do?” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/06/the-observer-view-on-the-middle-east-a-year-on-there-is-only-one-way-to-a-credible-peace

Not genocide, guardian. You shouldn't do genocide.

Even when labelled “alleged,” this piece foregrounds the IDF narrative and evidence drops in a way that can function as justification-for-bombing context:

“alleged evidence released by the IDF to support its claims that Hamas uses… Gaza as human shields” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

“Israel has cited what it says are numerous examples of Hamas using human shields” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

“It claims Hamas has placed… command network under… al-Shifa hospital.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

you can believe Hamas uses civilian cover and still see how this repeated framing becomes a ready-made moral alibi for mass civilian killing. We know Israel uses Palestinians as human shields, they'll literally strap children to the windshield of jeeps to shield them, why don't they cite that as rebuttal? Why don't they cite that as justification for attacking IDF?


On their funding: Guardian Media Group says it runs a “diverse revenue model” including “reader revenues, advertising… licensing and philanthropic funding.” https://www.theguardian.com/about/organisation

And it says “Revenue from readers now accounts for over 50%” which also means a large share is still non-reader money (ads, licensing, etc.)

Their own annual reporting stresses growth in reader revenue, but they’re still operating in the same media ecosystem: big audience incentives, elite access journalism, reliance on official sources, and the kinds of “respectable” foreign policy frames that dominate UK/US politics. (That’s exactly what “manufacturing consent” critiques are about: structures, not cartoon villain owners.)

Read Manufacturing Consent, then come back and tell me they don't.

Or downvote and maybe throw an insult my way, that works too.

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[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Dude. The war mongers jumped on this thread. When I initially replied to your comment it was top. Lemmy is becoming like reddit. It's fucking pathetic how many "anti trump" libs are onboard with bombing a country into freedom.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

sadly, lemmy.world is now similar to reddit in a wide variety of ways.

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[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How is OP not banned? 18k posts which exclusively seem to be news, 5 comments, it's literally a propaganda bot, what the fuck!

[-] insight06@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

OP actually has hundreds (thousands?) of comments over the past few years, but all but the most recent are listed as deleted by creator. I won't speculate as to the reason for this, but just note that their current comment count doesn't reflect their historical contributions.

I'll also just leave this quote from one of the comment chains they've recently commented on:

@MicroWave@lemmy.world I just want to say thanks for posting quality links so frequently. You're one of the few who isn't posting click bait junk like Raw Story and Daily Beast.

I don’t personally keep track, but it seems some others do feel they make valuable contributions. I for one don't want to see anyone too quick to torch the relative few individuals putting content on Lemmy.

[-] MicroWave@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Thanks for this comment. News about Iran seems to bring out extreme personalities lately it seems like.

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Propaganda bot for posting The Guardian? You're ok?

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[-] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 23 points 5 days ago

Fuck the Mullah dictatorship!!!

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