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To go deeper: some animals act curiously, others with fear, but only a few of them understand what the mirror does and use it to inspect themselves.

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[-] minnow@lemmy.world 85 points 3 months ago

The mirror test is frequently cited as a means of testing sentience.

OP I think you hit the nail on the head.

[-] Aerosol3215@piefed.ca 14 points 3 months ago

Based on the fact that most people don't see their interaction with the LLM as gazing into the mirror, am I being led to believe that most people are not sentient???

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Based entirely on the opinions of people on niche social media platforms, yes.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 25 points 3 months ago

Just think about the fact llms are basically trying to simulate reddit posts and then think again about using them.

[-] callyral@pawb.social 22 points 3 months ago

Related: is there a name for "question bias"?

Like asking ChatGPT if "is x good?", and it would reply "Yes, x is good." but if you ask "is x bad?" it would reply "Yes, x is bad, you're right."

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 18 points 3 months ago

It's just a leading question.

[-] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is not a leading question. The answer just happens to be meaningless.

Asking whether something is good is the vast majority of human concern. Most of our rational activity is fundamentally evaluative.

[-] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago

I checked with that other gorilla who lives in the bathroom and he says you're wrong

[-] certified_expert@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

lol, Is that the same gorilla that you see in other bathrooms? Or (like me) you meet a new gorilla every time you wash your hands?

[-] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

I think he's the same guy. I used to try to bust him up but he just kept multiplying into more pieces and then coming back whole every time I saw a new mirror, so I eventually gave up

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago

This is a great one - although I never see animals worshipping the mirror.

I've got a duck that prefers to dance in front of a chrome bumper or glass door where he can see his reflection than to go after any potential mates. Possibly he's worshipping the mirror. Possibly he's just really vain.

Sounds like he’s ducking handsome

[-] Rippin_Farts_And_Or_Breaking_Hearts@lemmy.org 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He is actually. When he washes himself he's blinding white. And when he dances he gets a little feather pompadour on the top of his head.

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

Nothing wrong with a handsome duck taking a little self affirmation time - he knows his value, he can't look away.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I love the idea of a bunch of woodland creatures (completely unaware of what mirrors are) investing heavily—and aggressively—in mirrors and mirror-related technology.

[-] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

Squirrels (lemmings) pooling all of their nuts at the alter, lol.

[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Investor Squirrel 1: “All you have to do is gather your acorns right here, and they will instantly double in value!

Investor Squirrel 2: “Bro’, we’re so sentient!!!

Or forming romantic attachments to the mirror

[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

Uhmm ... you never had a pet bird Im guessing?

Seeing all bird masturbate up against a mirror is just par for the course when you have bird pets. Its gonna be either a mirror, a favorite toy ... or you.

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[-] mriormro@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

I,too, like pulling random shit from my ass.

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[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 10 points 3 months ago
[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

from page 7 of Joseph Weizenbaum's Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgement to Calculation (1976):

screenshot of PDF of page 7: Introductionintimate thoughts; clear evidence that people were conversing withthe computer as if it were a person who could be appropriately andusefully addressed in intimate terms. I knew of course that peopleform all sorts of emotional bonds to machines, for example, to mu-sical instruments, motorcycles, and cars. And I knew from long ex-perience that the strong emotional ties many programmers have totheir computers are often formed after only short exposures to theirmachines. What I had not realized is that extremely short exposuresto a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful de-lusional thinking in quite normal people. This insight led me toattach new importance to questions of the relationship between theindividual and the computer, and hence to resolve to think aboutthem,3. Another widespread, and to me surprising, reaction to theELIZA program was the spread of a belief that it demonstrated ageneral solution to the problem of computer understanding of natu-ral language. In my paper, I had tried to say that no general solutionto that problem was possible, ie., that language is understood onlyin contextual frameworks, that even these can be shared by peopleto only a limited extent, and that consequently even people are notembodiments of any such general solution. But these conclusionswere often ignored, In any case, ELIZA was such a small and simplestep. Its contribution was, if any at all, only to vividly underline whatmany others had long ago discovered, namely, the importance ofcontext to language understanding. The subsequent, much moreelegant, and surely more important work of Winograd in computercomprehension of English is currently being misinterpreted just asELIZA was. This reaction to ELIZA showed me more vividly thananything I had seen hitherto the enormously exaggerated attribu-tions an even well-educated audience is capable of making, evenstrives to make, to a technology it does not understand. Surely, Ithought, decisions made by the general public about emergent tech-nologies depend much more on what that public attributes to suchtechnologies than on what they actually are or can and cannot do. If,as appeared to be the case, the public's attributions are wildly mis-conceived, then public decisions are bound to be misguided and

a pdf of the whole book is available here

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Huh.....so what you're saying is that mirrors are actually AI.

THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!! EVERYBODY COVER YOUR MIRRORS!!!

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[-] Sunschein@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago
[-] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

My dog used to stare at me through mirrors, so what does that mean for her intelligence? Hyper intelligent. Red heelers will take over the world.

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I find this kind of Anti AI Sentience bigotry horrible!

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[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

False. My reflection can't tell me that pressing the Steam button and X will bring up the keyboard on Steam Deck's desktop mode.

[-] lennee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

pressing and holding the steam button tells u every steam shortcut

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Except when you leave several LLMs able to communicate with one another they will, on their own, with no instructions, including creating their own unique social norms.

https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-llm-social-norms-28928/

[-] certified_expert@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

This is nothing else than the reflexion I am talking about. It is not a reflexion of you, the person chatting with the bot, but an "average" reflexion of what humanity has expressed in the data llms have been trained on.

If a mirror is placed in front of another mirror, the "infinite tunnel" only exists in the mind of the observer.

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Neuroscience News isn't a conspiracy rag. It's an article summarizing a research paper, which they link to. So many of you don't bother to read actual research and instead repeat whatever you've seen online about how things work. More parrot than the AI.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago
[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

The article is summarizing a research paper, which it links to. Neuroscience News isn't a conspiracy rag.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That's basically a very advanced flea circus.

[-] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Deep thoughts

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Just noting that the mirror test is a bad way of studying theory of mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Criticism

It's interesting as a silly and absurd way humans used to demean other species. But I think it says a lot more about those who use it than the animals.

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[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

And here I am practising my smile in the mirror (like that golden retriever)

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 months ago

My dog doesn't pay any attention to mirrors, or llms.

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