It's in part because Biden ran on opposing fascism, got elected, and then did nothing to oppose fascism. He sold himself as a dragonslayer, but once he got in, he didn't want to upset the pro-dragon crowd.

So, yeah, when his protege ran the exact same campaign, it didn't instill a lot of confidence.

“Of course I am not a misogynist! And definitely not racist, I have a black friend!”

You spelled "genocide supporter" wrong.

Even if she was an old white guy, being a scumbag neoliberal who would not condemn genocide would have lost the election. Being brown and a woman made her an even harder sell. People are sick and tired of neoliberal dirtbags that do everything in their power to screw over regular people while gaslighting them about it. That’s not an excuse to refuse to vote against full-blown fascism, but there needs to be a reckoning against neoliberalism and capitalism in general before anything will change.

No more neolib candidates.

You do realize that you can both vote and work to destroy the system at the same time, right?

It's like when you were in school and you could do math and then play with crayons and then have a nap, all in one day.

"I don't particularly like the other guys, so in practice I'm fine with Nazi's in power"

-- smartest .ml user.

You're getting downvoted, but I wish people could understand how multiple things can be simultaneously true.

It's not "both sides." It's "one side is nazis, and the other side is robber barons wearing the skin of leftist ideals, preventing legislation for the people, and trying to profit off of the nazi stuff."

Like, with the fascist takover going on you have chuck going "I hear the will of the people, who want us to focus on funding Israel. Don't worry, I hear you, the sick, hungry, and educators can absolutely tough it out for Israel. "

Democrats have shown direct complicity with the republican actions, largely through people incentivized to actively kneecap any effort to help regular people instead of the wealthy. Look at and review on legislation vs public preference vs corporate preferences.

But no, the only way to cooperate in changing the system is investing more deeply into the inevitable pendulum of the two party system pushing the overton window towards oppression with each swing. One slower but more discreet. The other is Nazis being nachos Nazis.

Neither is the solution to the problem, but systemic and socialized changes in how we act and react to the systems we are in, as bottom up networks.

People have to interact with the political reality and put energy into it, but we've already socialized that shame and laziness is a failure to participate in the socio-economic hierarchy, rather than a lack of spending energy on basic ethics and epistemic hygiene.

We need new tools and behaviours to interact with new problems. This takes energy, which makes it socially unpopular. But we all die if we don't find basic cooperation to fix a feedback loop that lost the plot.

People shat on "don't look up" for being too "on the nose and snobbish." yet here we are, with people living in socialized framing bubbles that are just as aggressively ignorant.

But bringing that up is cringe.

Yes vote against the nazis, but don't let people believe that means we are not still in existential danger.

I get the sentiment but what bugs me about posts like this (and I’m guilty of making them), is that they assume a single vote is all it will take.

I typically vote democrat, not because I support them, but because I try to maximize the effectiveness of my vote. A third party or protest vote accomplishes nothing but self satisfaction. A painful vote for someone you know sucks, but is a step in the right direction is the right strategy. The dems, who without a doubt are terrible, at least showed that they will eventually listen to their voters when they swapped out biden’s carcass. I was not in love with Kamala, but at least we had a viable candidate who wasn’t an obvious fascist.

The vote is where the work STARTS. Electing dems is not the destination, they are just a tool to help us get where we need to go. Use them, then discard them.

Republicans: Throw brown people into unmarked vans.

Democrats: Mark. 👏 Those.👏Vans. 👏