Any Chance of Denuvo possibly being Banned? (feddit.org)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by RetroHax@feddit.org to c/steam@lemmy.ml

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As an Anti DRM Gamer who really does not buy Games featuring Boot/RootKit i wonder if itd be possible to consider somehow a Ban against Denuvo, VM Protect and all these other Bullshit DRMs that go into your System and arent just tied to some kind of Online Service like the Steam Store for Example >.>
Would that even be feasable in the EU considering that we got osme Stricter Laws than lets say the US regarding Multi Media Content :P

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[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Chances are basically zero.

Steam should refuse to list games using any form of kernel-level anti-cheat. It is inherently insecure, reducing the security of your system even when not playing the game, and there is no way around that.

But they'll never take a position like that for consumers. That's what GOG does.

[-] eleijeep@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Denuvo is not anti-cheat, it's copy-protection.

[-] RetroHax@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly Steam is very much only caring about what the Publisher throws them Money at :(
Obviously we all care about Money especially Companies but atleast GOG has the decency of telling you to fuck off if you try to put any kind of Malware into your Game :P
Well except for Steamworld Builder which actually has some kind of Anti Cheat appearantly via Reading the Comments >.>
https://www.gog.com/en/game/steamworld_build

[-] luridness@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t think so.

However we are seeing more games with denuvo remove it after a year.

[-] RetroHax@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean thats true but i would say that the Chances of Denuvo and other such Cases are still a tiny Fraction of what they could be sadly :( Like for example even the Persona Games or any SEGA game really has the Issue of using Denuvo or some other kind of VM Protect Bullshit still multiple Years after it was released on PC >.>
Only exception being the Yakuza Games really >.>

For Example the Mega Man Legacy Collections besides 1 still use Denuvo :(
Or the Dragon Quest Games for example :(
tho i just hope that the DQ Games atleast follow the previous Games example of Denuvo being removed aftzer a Year or so like they did with the DQ HD Remakes >.>

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Why are you typing like that

[-] RetroHax@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Beep Boop im an AI :P
No joke this is literally what someone asked me if im just an AI Bot Scraper Thing >.>
But seriously this is how i Type :P
Unless you have trouble understaning me i wouldnt say just dont care about the Way i type :P

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

Unless you have trouble understaning me i wouldnt say just dont care about the Way i type :P

Given usually adding capitalization to words not usually capitalized usually is used to convey some sort of emphasis, its harder to understand what its being conveyed.

[-] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

My theory is that he is a quarter german. He can probably only pronounce the voiced 'th' too.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly, the world has so many much bigger problems.

If gamers really want it gone they'll do what I do and vote with their wallet. We've already seen some ramifications of that, with publishers sometimes removing it after just a few months or a year.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

that isn't working though

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How is banning Denuvo working?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

it isn't, that's my point.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

LOL no that's MY point. Neither of them are working because no one is doing either of them.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

people are definetly "voting with their wallets", myself included

as always with stuff like that, only a minority cares, so a solution must be workable by a minority who does.

so if the solution for the problem is "if only people just..." then it's not effective.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

No they aren't. If they were, it would be working.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

they are, that's precisely my point.

it's just that it doesn't work and expecting it to is a waste of time.

we'd need another strategy.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

They aren't. That's precisely my point.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

they are. that's just how ineffective it is.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is 100% effective. The fact that it's not working indicates that they're not doing it. They're not going to keep doing this without a viable path to profitability.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

we need a new strategy to fix this sort of thing, my dude.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

Indeed. What would you suggest?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

if i had that answer you'd probably be seeing me as some kind of leadership on it.

though legislative pressure is a good place to start, my country is currently in the process of banning lootbox type stuff, and some of the data collection in games.

not perfect but definitely a step up from the free market "the consumers decide" crap that isn't actually yielding any results.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

definitely a step up from the free market "the consumers decide" crap that isn't actually yielding any results.

😂 In what way? Getting govts to crack down on it hasn't solved anything either. If you're ever able to actually get anything passed, the companies just play this stupid game of malicious compliance and then the govts call it a day and move on.

The "free market crap" doesn't work if enough people don't pitch in. Look how quickly we solved the Jimmy Kimmel situation by voting with our wallets. Less than a week. Can you even fathom a govt that efficient?

You seem to be presenting a false dichotomy. You don't have to choose. You can do both. But voting with your wallet is the fastest, most effective, and most permanent, when actually implemented.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Getting govts to crack down on it hasn’t solved anything either.

i just exemplified a small win to you that happened close to me.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

And then right after that I explain how that solved nothing because they just poked holes in the legislation.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

not in ours.

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Approximately impossible.

We need regulation that states all paid software DRM must be removed from software after X time, probably more that says source code must be provided after Y time.

I’m fine with the former being 5 years but the latter I understand as more of a 10 year thing. Zero reason I can think of to not force shit like this. Copyright and patent law needs to change.

They can make the time limit start from the first sale.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not happening.

Games would become Epic exclusive before they give up their KLAC, and that would hurt Steam far more than it would hurt Denuvo. Steam would not make such a poor business decision.

If I were Steam, I'd insert barriers to purchases a Denuvo game. No promotion on the Steam storefront, a warning before purchase, etc.

EDIT: I thought Denuvo was KLAC for a second. Please disregard this entire reply.