
Lol, very first pair of comments. I love phoronix sometimes.

Lol, very first pair of comments. I love phoronix sometimes.
Ah, the duality of man...
Volta raging over any rust post, a classic XD
it still has a permissive license :(
Are you going to complain about this every time uutils is posted?
Yes, because its a valid complain.
Okay, then every time you complain about it I will point out that your complaint is a petty one that adds nothing to the discussion.
It will be a tireless job but someone has to do it. :-)
I guess that's fair.
Yes.
Because I can.
And also, as the other two commenters said, it's a valid complaint for something as important as coreutils.
Just because you can add noise to a discussion does not mean that you have to.
Licencing is a legitimate concern (not noise), even more so considering it's for the core utils
What's wrong with a permissive licence?
GPL or GTFO! On a more serious note: Permissive licenses open a project up to unilateral exploitation by commercial entities and can lead to fractured ecosystems.
On a more principled note: permissive licenses (as compared to free software licenses) undermine the free software ecosystem and the freedoms it brings in the long term and the thing that uutils is doing - that is taking a GPL licensed project and rewriting it under a more permissive license is corrosive to free software. GPL applies not when corporations use a piece of software, but when they distribute binaries back to you. This is not about limiting the rights of corporations but about protecting the digital freedom of people.
It allows corporations to take without giving back.
It's why Sony and Apple based their operating systems on BSD over Linux.
It allows uuitls, which is an important piece of closed source software, to be used in properitary software. and that is bad.
Isn't it open source? Why is it being in proprietary software bad?
The theoretical concern is that some nefarious company will start making improvements and not contribute them back so that it can have access to (and possibly even sell) its own premium version that takes advantage of the hard work of the community without giving back.
Personally, I am a bit skeptical of this for a couple of reasons. First, I have a really hard time seeing any company care enough about uutils to do this. Second, continually merging changes from an upstream project is a real pain, so there is a strong incentive to make contributions back out of self-interest.
But even to the extent that there is some grounds to be concerned, it is not enough for so many people to contribute so much noise to every single one of these posts whining, as if it is attack on them personally.
If you expect that people will in reality treat the project as if it is copyleft. Why not support it being officially copyleft? Why just trust corporations to be good citizens when you could insist on it?
This. Licenses are so that trust is not needed and being a good FOSS citizen is expected. That means publishing your code if you fork, giving proper attibution and granting your users the same rights as the original project did.
Something very normal.
What freedom is being taken away from you, personally, exactly, that makes it so bad that they decided to go with this license?
It's not a matter of "him" personally. Permissive license allow for a work to be taken and redistributed by other entities, without enforcing them to release their changes. This creates a one way relationship that is generally detrimental to the open source ecosystem, allowing work to be stolen away from the public. That being said, choosing a license is situational, and a permissive one can be a great choice in certain instances. For that particular case, I don't see much benefit to having a permissive licence.
Okay, so it sounds like in practice this would primarily affect the uutils developers by denying them access to these changes. However, they are the ones who deliberately chose this license, so why make a big deal of it in every single uutils thread?
Replace a perfectly usable GPL software for MIT? Nope. I used to fall for that ten years ago. The social infrastructure of software is more important than the exact tech used. The license is fundamental to that.
It is trolling when it broke production level systems?
To be fair im NOT blaming the rust util team. I hope the best for them. But it was a bad decision to use something like that to power systems before it was fully tested and ready. It broke many different things in prod at work and we had to switch over to another distro entirely. Which was a lot of work. It made us stop using Ubuntu which is a shame.
Your first mistake was using Ubuntu on a production server. Canonical has made more than enough questionable decisions over the past decade that using Ubuntu for a production system should be a red flag.
Your probably right. It was an old setup but ill own it. I inherited it (mitus touch) so I probably should have put more effort into switching.
It is trolling when it broke production level systems?
Depends. Were they the ones who put it into production level systems? If the answer to that question is no, then, well, you have your answer already.
If they could just use a real licence and even more copyleft (at least something, like EUPL, MPL or GPLv2)
The licence would be significantly better. And would drive a bit more adoption.
Going from GPL to a weaker license was a terrible idea and whoever supported it should be held accountable.
Rust Coreutils Continues Working Toward 100% GNU Compatibility, Proving Trolls Wrong
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Phoronix, you are the trolls.
Lol, phoronix forums being on point
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