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Sylvestre Ledru who serves as the lead developer of the uutils project for the Rust Coreutils implementation presented at FOSDEM 2026 this weekend on this initiative. Ledru has spoken at FOSDEM in prior years on Rust Coreutils and this year's talk focused primarily on Ubuntu 25.10's adoption of it in place of GNU Coreutils.

Ledru's presentation covered the progress made on Rust Coreutils in recent times and Ubuntu 25.10's uptake of Rust Coreutils and continuing that for Ubuntu 26.04 LTS. While some bugs have been found as a result of it, they have been fixed rather quickly. Ledru's presentation also points out some of the popular trolling around Rust Coreutils and ultimately how many of those commenters have been proven wrong

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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 58 points 3 months ago

Lol, very first pair of comments. I love phoronix sometimes.

[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 16 points 3 months ago

Ah, the duality of man...

[-] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 12 points 3 months ago

Volta raging over any rust post, a classic XD

[-] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 months ago

it still has a permissive license :(

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

Are you going to complain about this every time uutils is posted?

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 26 points 3 months ago

Yes, because its a valid complain.

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 13 points 3 months ago

Okay, then every time you complain about it I will point out that your complaint is a petty one that adds nothing to the discussion.

It will be a tireless job but someone has to do it. :-)

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I guess that's fair.

[-] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago

Yes.
Because I can.
And also, as the other two commenters said, it's a valid complaint for something as important as coreutils.

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

Just because you can add noise to a discussion does not mean that you have to.

[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 15 points 3 months ago

Licencing is a legitimate concern (not noise), even more so considering it's for the core utils

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[-] AllzeitBereit@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago

What's wrong with a permissive licence?

[-] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 months ago

GPL or GTFO! On a more serious note: Permissive licenses open a project up to unilateral exploitation by commercial entities and can lead to fractured ecosystems.

On a more principled note: permissive licenses (as compared to free software licenses) undermine the free software ecosystem and the freedoms it brings in the long term and the thing that uutils is doing - that is taking a GPL licensed project and rewriting it under a more permissive license is corrosive to free software. GPL applies not when corporations use a piece of software, but when they distribute binaries back to you. This is not about limiting the rights of corporations but about protecting the digital freedom of people.

[-] duelistsage@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

It allows corporations to take without giving back.

It's why Sony and Apple based their operating systems on BSD over Linux.

[-] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

It allows uuitls, which is an important piece of closed source software, to be used in properitary software. and that is bad.

[-] AllzeitBereit@feddit.uk 10 points 3 months ago

Isn't it open source? Why is it being in proprietary software bad?

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 12 points 3 months ago

The theoretical concern is that some nefarious company will start making improvements and not contribute them back so that it can have access to (and possibly even sell) its own premium version that takes advantage of the hard work of the community without giving back.

Personally, I am a bit skeptical of this for a couple of reasons. First, I have a really hard time seeing any company care enough about uutils to do this. Second, continually merging changes from an upstream project is a real pain, so there is a strong incentive to make contributions back out of self-interest.

But even to the extent that there is some grounds to be concerned, it is not enough for so many people to contribute so much noise to every single one of these posts whining, as if it is attack on them personally.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 18 points 3 months ago

If you expect that people will in reality treat the project as if it is copyleft. Why not support it being officially copyleft? Why just trust corporations to be good citizens when you could insist on it?

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 months ago

This. Licenses are so that trust is not needed and being a good FOSS citizen is expected. That means publishing your code if you fork, giving proper attibution and granting your users the same rights as the original project did.

Something very normal.

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[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

What freedom is being taken away from you, personally, exactly, that makes it so bad that they decided to go with this license?

[-] Scafir@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 months ago

It's not a matter of "him" personally. Permissive license allow for a work to be taken and redistributed by other entities, without enforcing them to release their changes. This creates a one way relationship that is generally detrimental to the open source ecosystem, allowing work to be stolen away from the public. That being said, choosing a license is situational, and a permissive one can be a great choice in certain instances. For that particular case, I don't see much benefit to having a permissive licence.

[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

Okay, so it sounds like in practice this would primarily affect the uutils developers by denying them access to these changes. However, they are the ones who deliberately chose this license, so why make a big deal of it in every single uutils thread?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 46 points 3 months ago

Replace a perfectly usable GPL software for MIT? Nope. I used to fall for that ten years ago. The social infrastructure of software is more important than the exact tech used. The license is fundamental to that.

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[-] somegeek@programming.dev 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We like the Rust, we hate the cuck license. Simple.

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[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is trolling when it broke production level systems?

To be fair im NOT blaming the rust util team. I hope the best for them. But it was a bad decision to use something like that to power systems before it was fully tested and ready. It broke many different things in prod at work and we had to switch over to another distro entirely. Which was a lot of work. It made us stop using Ubuntu which is a shame.

[-] Maestro@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

Your first mistake was using Ubuntu on a production server. Canonical has made more than enough questionable decisions over the past decade that using Ubuntu for a production system should be a red flag.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago

Your probably right. It was an old setup but ill own it. I inherited it (mitus touch) so I probably should have put more effort into switching.

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[-] bitcrafter@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago

It is trolling when it broke production level systems?

Depends. Were they the ones who put it into production level systems? If the answer to that question is no, then, well, you have your answer already.

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[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 months ago

If they could just use a real licence and even more copyleft (at least something, like EUPL, MPL or GPLv2)

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The licence would be significantly better. And would drive a bit more adoption.

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[-] duelistsage@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

Going from GPL to a weaker license was a terrible idea and whoever supported it should be held accountable.

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[-] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

Rust Coreutils Continues Working Toward 100% GNU Compatibility, Proving Trolls Wrong

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Phoronix, you are the trolls.

[-] WILSOOON@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lol, phoronix forums being on point

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