Bloatness is just an excuse to avoid all the problems of installing a new program in Gentoo.
Please, tell me they don't have to compile everything.
They don't have to. They GET to.
Compiling Firefox on my old ThinkPad took 9 hours
That's kind of the point of Gentoo. Though it's not as hard as it sounds, the package manager (emerge) pretty much does it for you. It just might take a while.
Please don't be angry with me, but the package manager is called portage; emerge is just one commandline tool to interact with it.
No problem, tried Gentoo like once over 5 years ago. It was cool and fun but not a daily driver for me.
We don't. We can decide between binary packages and compiling.
Hang on, what? You're talking about the extra time (and electricity), or do you think it's in any way difficult/error prone?
I'm talking about laziness. And that stuff you named too.
I'm so confused. Gentoo users are too lazy to run sudo emerge thing?
Anything that isnโt the bootloader is just bloat
Obsidian in this context is as fictional as vibranium.
Yeah obsidian is 5-5.5 on the moh's scale. It's softer than quartz. What makes it special is how sharp it can get, not how hard it is. Also, it's just really cool
Tbf one of these things is fictional: Gentoo users
Funnily enough, the one irl Linux user I've met used Gentoo. I originally assumed they used arch.
I tried Gentoo once, I just straight up do not have time for that. It's fine, honestly nice even, but the waiting omg. Maybe I was doing things wrong but I don't have all day to sit around eating for things to compile
You can set up number of compile threads and keep working while updating.
I install lots of new tools which I generally need right this second, updating is a non-issue I do that overnight.
Then appimages/flatpak?
I was a passioned Gentoo user for many years and I also only met 1 other IRL Gentoo user. Ok, there were more once at a Linux conference where a bunch of Gentoo users had a desk showing off Gentoo compiling @system for a BSD system.
Even the binary repository was not enough for me to not go back to Debian after ~10 years Gentoo usage. It was a fun hobby and a great learning experience.
Former Gentoo user here. The thing I have in common with the other former Gentoo users I know IRL (a whopping 2 of them) is that none of us have the time for it anymore.
So if I ever find myself having too much free time, you bet your ass I'll reinstall Gentoo.
I'm a living proof you're the opposite of right ๐
Oh hell naw.
I am a proud and vocal Gentoo user.
And you won't make me to back to binary packages. Fuck them.
USE flags are the best thing ever, reminding us why software should be Open.
Gentoo 4ever.
portage is just the best package manager
Who says obsidian is hard?
Minecraft kids who don't know Mohs scale
i was expecting a dumb joke like 'my d*ck' or something but agreed
I remember having a Gentoo install, seeing the wiki for how to install steam, and just dual booted with Bazzite.
I'll try again another time
Does flatpak steam have some problems? I don't use it so I don't know.
Had 0 issues with Steam on Gentoo.
I've never had high end machines but I don't remember installing being a chore on Gentoo even 20 years ago. Just
emerge openoffice
And let it do its thing in the background
How hard is it to install gentoo anyway, and how would someone install anything on it. I've literally never used gentoo and the only distros i've used are linux mint, debian, fedora (not my cup of tea), arch (archinstall) and EndeavourOS (current) so i'm curious about the world of gentoo
Installing Gentoo itself isn't really any more difficult than Arch. Though I hear Arch has some easy way to install nowadays. It's kinda like installing Arch the old fashioned way.
At the end of the day if you follow the official installation guide, you'll be fine. If you miss a step, you get to learn valuable troubleshooting skills.
Installing anything is as easy as sudo emerge firefox, waiting for an hour for some obscure part in the compile process to fail, giing up, and doing sudo emerge firefox-bin. But tbh outside of browsers, most things compile fine unless you have esoteric optimization flags in your compiler config (-ffast-math breaks AV stuff for an example).
Ah and at some point you'll go "Hmm this six core CPU isn't enough, I need to upgrade to 16" because most of your packages will be compiled from scratch. And every update also compiles the same packages again (the ones that need to be updated, not all packages. Unless you specify that).
So why do it? It's fun, great learning experience and you can customize how your software is compiled (specify your CPU microarchitecture for compiler optimizations, use unsafe optimization flags if you want, use the USE flags to straight up leave functionality you don't need out of software). Also bragging rights.
Can we speed up the process using ccache?
Yes.
Couple days ago my Arch (btw) tried to update gcc by building from source. I started the update, went and made myself dinner, ate it, cleaned up the dishes, and it was still building when I returned to my PC. How do people live with Gentoo I will never understand.
Heh. I wish my work were closer to hardware level, so that playing with compilation actually made some sense. If there is a kind soul here, please do tell me: does Gentoo look like it will still be around in some 10-15 years? I would hate to be too late to hop on the bus
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Though Gentoo is not as hard as people think.
Diamond = easily shatter
Obsidian = fragile
Vibranium = fiction
Really?
Lol dumbass. Everyone knows unobtanium is the strongest.
Or NixOS. I just opt for a VM these days.
nix-shell -p packagename
And then add to config if you wanna keep it
Sometimes I need to install obscure software that needs to be packaged manually. But in most cases I just use a VM for those
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