Yeah, they are a bit egotistical. I don’t use GrapheneOS and would not use GrapheneOS over other secure versions of android due to their attitude.

These discussions are worthless, because of the complexly with Linux kernels. Saying android is Linux is the same as saying macOS or iOS are Linux. They only have in common to be a kernel driven Unix system. Stop there and be good, the only other mentionable opposite is DOS.

I run gOS and be good with it but I don't follow all of their thoughts. Security and privacy are two different things. gOS follows the security rabbit hole. Doing more for privacy is in the users hand. This is better than ROM who build their ecosystem the other way around.

I've been in the GrapheneOS matrix lurking for a while, and it's absolutely jam packed with toxic weirdos.

Great ROM though!

I wouldn't engage with them personally. I use grapheneOS. I would use their matrix for support only, but we already know the community is a little... errrr... defensive. Definitely not the place to debate stuff like this, and those folk involved are pretty bright anyway.

"Android immutable model could totally work with more customizability like desktops, and still be secure" - I read this, and don't know enough, but I'm wondering if this is a selling point of a rival of theirs. I think they're very precise and ardent on secure. Some of their rivals allow more flexibility, and less secure, so it could have been a conversation they've had millions of times with people trolling them. Obviously, they're quite sensitive, and react way beyond the pale, but good policy is don't troll folk that may need mental health help.

The fact you know Daniel, and the history, and went in their to debate is really quite questionable. "I wonder what would happen if I take this box of matches into this room full of flammable material". It's weird you're asking people to go in and debate with them. Why are you advocating this? It's like you're wanting to troll them, and while there is often not excusing some of the actions on that project, what is your goal? Subtle trolling is a thing.

Either way, use what software you want. Their matrix is run by them, and they define the rules of how they operate. It isn't a public entity, it's a private club.

Patient: When I do this, it hurts.

Doctor: Well don't do that then.

I'm well pleased with my gOS on it's own merits, I occasionally hear things like this (glad Daniel Mikay is out, hope he gets help), but do not engage. Maybe this is a sign for you to do similar...

I use GrapheneOS but have zero contact with the so-called "community". The project itself is awesome but as with many Linux/OS projects a lot of the people around it aren't all the way there.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with what you've said. Them perma-banning you for "misinformation" instead of actually engaging in a discussion with you about it says all I need to know about that kind of community IMO, and it's not one I'd want to be a part of... regardless of how amazing and secure their OS is.

The unfortunate thing is, I think it's hard to maintain projects like GrapheneOS without people like that on the team - the community's principled nature is kind of reflected in how watertight and robust the OS is

Yeah it ain't new. Daniel has been a shithead from the start. You should have seen the drama in the copperhead os and the linux-hardened IRC channels. But also with his old business partner who he dragged in the mud for no good reason.

He's also a huge part of the reason, with other KSPP folks, why Spender went private with GRSEC. A huge loss for the Linux world.

I run GrapheneOS too. Fortunately there are so few issues that I can just focus on using it, no need to engage the community around it.