He basically threatened to kill her today, so. Neat
he also threatened greenland, mexico, other s american countries, just to add more content to the news to distract from PDF island.
when will the world get their shit together and impose sanctions/embargoes on this terrorist failed state?
It's insane how fast MAGA went from no wars to "we are so happy that a dictator was removed and the people of Venezuela are happy!"
WTF!?!? It's batshit crazy the lengths they go to to justify all his illegal actions.
they were never, anti war.
then saying so was such an obvious lie, they were always vocally pro war.
It's really easy to change your positions when there were never any principles behind it either way.
This is what I'm so desperate for people to understand: these are empty people. In terms of politics, they don't have beliefs in the way you and I do. They have hollowed out that part of themselves. This is why debate or the introduction of new facts never changes their minds, because it never made up their mind in the first place. Such a change requires your positions to be propped up by genuine belief in what you think is the right thing, where that prop can be knocked over.
These people belong to a team, a clan, a cult, however you want to phrase it. The only thing that matters is that their side is in power and uses that power to act against those who aren't. Any means to that end is valid to them. They'll happily switch to whichever position is most convenient for them without missing a beat. They're only justifying it to you to keep you busy and distracted, they never really believed a word they said. They just chose the words they thought would be most effective to win.
The best term I have heard is "reprogrammable meatbags" for these idiots. They will spew back whatever official propaganda is shit into their heads like dutiful puppets. They don't care that they can hold two diametrically opposing ideas or viewpoints at the same time.
right wing propaganda is a hellava drug. especially for venezuelans in USA. its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president, it almost never is when USA/UK backs a coup.
its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president
There will be a sham election and a USA stooge will (try to) rule the place for a while. Then he'll be couped by the masses. Another stooge ascends to power, with USA's blessing. And so on...
All of this has happened many times before in South America.
"communism bad" has been hammered into the heads of Americans for decades, it's easy to exploit that reflex
So venezuela is a colony of USA ? Is this even allowed ?? Can western countries keep colonies now ?
On the one hand, Maduro's leadership is illegitimate and horrible.
That said, the US isn't invading because they want to bring peace and democracy to them. It's because they want to get oil production for private businesses back into the country and because they didn't "fall in line".
Fucking US Imperialism revival going on......
Say you're living in a house with a shitty landlord. The local mobster turns up at his house, beats him up, and steals the keys to his tenants' houses. The tenants cheer! The mobster then proceeds to turn up at your house, open the doors with the keys, and steals all your shit.
The mobster is not on your side and never was.
Note that "all your shit" includes your copper plumbing and wiring so your house is uninhabitable. He probably tracked in a bunch of PFAS and other toxic stuff all over your garden too. And left an upper decker in your toilet for good measure.
Agreed. But, going forward. Don't even give the first "hand" point. It's meaningless. All it does is give a "both sides" opening for the normies to think there is debate.
This isn't 2010. The fascist don't arguing in good faith. Just state that this shit is wrong, why it's wrong, and move on.
We ARE the Nazis. There isn't a "well, you would invade if Hilter was leader" argument to be had. This is the equivalent of Hilter invading Venezuela. There are no scenarios in which "one hand" needs to be said.
I really hope people start to understand this. Because, at this point, any "hand" given to America is like giving justification for Nazi Germany.
It’s unclear that they’re illegitimate.
Yes, they certainly manipulated an election.
…but “the west” was manipulating the same election.
Maduro's leadership is a helluva lot more legitimate than the orange pedophile.
I'm an American and believe the nations of the world should sanction us into economic ruin over this (and everything else from the last year).
Dictators around the world are getting too comfortable. They're seeing too many examples of other dictators getting away with war crimes, illegal invasions, and other atrocities.
Putin emboldened Netanyahu, Netanyahu emboldened trump, and I don't even want to think about who's going to feel emboldened by trump.
Rules based order, multilateralism, and international law seem to be crumbling with no enforcement. Arguably the greatest achievements of the twentieth century, disappearing like vapor...
and I don't even want to think about who's going to feel emboldened by trump.
Xi Jinping. Taiwan is next, especially if this goes south and fixes the US naval assets in place for a prolonged period.
Nah. Just a targeted police action to arrest the rogue elements who purport to be the lawfully elected government.
They'd be justified in sanctions, but I don't think that it would actually accomplish anything. The people doing this shit don't give a flying fuck about them because it would hurt you and me, not them.
I support bombing both DC and Mar a Lago. Or, just bomb one of the golf courses he's at. He's such an easy target for anyone that wants to kill him.
I don't think she knows about Second Abduction, Pip.
I think what we are seeing is Trump telling the truth. Rodriguez is likely a puppet of the US. She is trying to save face to be able to actually prevent popular uprising.
This works for both of them. Trump gets to tell the truth about US influence and control of Venezuela. It's makes him look strong and this is the only message most Americans will hear. And Rodriguez gets to look to be against the occupation; while working closely with the US in reality. And this narrative is what will be pushed heavily in Venezuela.
Maduro heavily armed his supporters. This wasn't meant to actually stop the invasion of Venezuela. It was meant to create insurgent groups of resistance that would put America in another Iraq situation. But the US wasnt deterred by this.
This seems to be an attempt to bring Maduro supporters in line and give the US time to insert their puppets at all meaningful levels of power in Venezuela. (The resistance to occupation part).
At least that's my take on this. The US is in the wrong here. Clearly. But, I'm not going to jump to believe a leader that is only sitting in that position because the US allows them to be. They kidnapped the leader of a foreign nation. You think Rodriguez would be allowed a microphone for anything but the purpose of US imperialism? No.
Do I think this will work? Will it actually stop resistance groups in Venezuela? No, I don't think it will. But only time will tell.
TLDR: Rodriguez is just trying to not look like a complete puppet and trying to save face.
Significantly, Ms. Rodríguez delivered her address alongside what she called Venezuela’s National Defense Council, which included the nation’s defense minister, attorney general and the heads of the country’s legislature and judiciary. That unified front directly contradicted Mr. Trump’s claim that the United States would run Venezuela
Good. Trump otoh, in good old mafia manner:
Venezuelan leaders must comply with the United States or else. “All political and military figures must realize that what happened to Maduro can happen to them,” he said.
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