This is America's 1938 moment. The nations of the world need to push back hard.
I see your point but I think it's more like the 1939 "defensive war" against Poland than the 1938 "Anschluss".
Nobody's going to start WWIII over Venezuela, though.
No, but Canada should take those annexation threats far more seriously now.
If we weren't already.
Anybody who wasn't or isn't now is just plain naive. "It could never happen here" cope.
I don’t know. We can’t have a WWIII, I just pray this ends here.
Right, American citizens won't even defend their humanity, nevermind fighting in a draft. /s
Something tells me Maduro is going to become a lot more popular that he ever dreamed he would be.
This usually does that.
Venezuela already has guerillas, is largely jungle and twice the size of Iraq, and the military is the part of the country that was loyal all along. I'm pretty curious if he actually has a plan to "run Venezuela" or if he just thinks you automatically "own" a place once you topple their government.
Why? They just kidnapped some idiot frontman of the dictatorship. Venezuela's military is still there and it is unclear which side the streets will support more, especially after what the US just did. Even if it is a civil war...how are those dipshits going to "run Venezuela"?
He is fucking deranged. I'm watching his press conference and he's just rambling on about nonsense
Still can't believe he got elected again.
Good chance he wasn't.
Yup. Even with the electoral college, the money in campaigns, Dis- & misinformation, Musk's illegal cheerleading and so on, I think anyone who really looks, with a focus on the ballots will find a shit ton of dodgy things.
Ramble is all he does, its kinda his whole identity at this point.
He compared the attack to WWII. He clearly has no idea what he is doing.
As far as I can tell, they genuinely do not have anything approaching a real plan here.
Best guess is that, as a would be dictator himself, Trump has so thoroughly bought into his own strongman hype that he actually does believe that's how governments work. L'etat c'est moi. He seems to truly think that removing Maduro is the same thing as removing the government, and that by some kind of fucking boardgame-ass logic that means they're now in charge.
America is already the gold standard for failing at regime changes, but this is truly their finest work yet.
It’s plausible that someone high up in Venezuela decided they’d rather be an American puppet than dodge American missiles, and cut a deal with the CIA to give up Maduro.
We have to wait to see what Venezuela does. Trying to make sense of the ramblings of a demented narcissist is hopeless.
Trump has never solved a problem in his life. His entire experience is to tell a lackey what he wants, then either fire or reward that lackey. He thinks he's "solved" Venezuela just by telling Pete Hegseth to take care of it.
He has the political literacy of a NY slumlord. When people say that "Trump is a rapist" they're right, but that it's his mindset about everything. "We have the biggest army in the world, let's just bomb them" as in "I'm stronger than you, I can do what I want"
A Republican began the rules based international order and another one ended it.
"Rules Based International Order" is just what the american empire calls itself in public. It's sum total of the structures set up by and for US hegemony. Like how the Athenian Empire called itself the Delian League.
In a sense, there's no purer expression of the rules based international order than illegally annexing territories for their oil.
Except there's a lot of other, very independent nuclear powers that have also propped it up. Not all of them are even US friends.
Fuck US imperialism. Fuck Trump, all his supporters, sycophants and enablers.
And fuck the apathetic losers who didn't vote to vote against him. This is on the whole country.
By not bothering to vote non-voters implicitly supported people who did vote for him and through their inaction - support him too.
What is there left that to say? The short period of a "rules based international order" is over.
We might as well shut down the UN and NATO.
Nah, just kick the US and Israel out
This. No reason for the rest of us to give up just because they have. We'll do it without them if we have to.
If the US is no longer going to be a relevant part of it anyway, we might as well go back to the League of Nations.
Christ, the US can't even bring about judicious transition of power on its own soil.
Short version: it seems that Trump declared victory too early.
As far as I can make sense - I could be wrong or the situation could have changed, in which case please correct - Venezuela is not currently run by Trump, but the Venezuelan interior ministry (minister Diosdado Cabello, who has served as acting president before) and the defense ministry (minister Vladimir Padrino López, no political experience). Their vice president, according to rumours that spread in the morning (no confirmation or appearance that I know of) is hiding in Russia. The only public appearance that I know of, was by the interior minister during the night, after the raid.
As far as I understand, emigrees are celebrating Maduro's fall, but their joy might be premature because the regime is still armed and controls the streets.
Any diplomatic process of peaceful power transfer is going to have setbacks too, as 95% of South American countries have condemned the US attack, alongside China, EU and Russia. Trump just spent all of his legitimacy.
Opposition leaders likely cannot simply fly into Venezuela, as they'd risk getting shot.
If he wants something, Trump is going to have to attack again, but this time against people with a military background, in a country that has mobilized at least some of its (small) military. But the US force on the Carribean is not remarkably big either.
It would be far better if they negotiated. I guess they currently are negotiating.
Going by competences relevant to the situation: they captured the bus driver, but the general and captain escaped unscathed.
There are dozens of countries that have dictatorships and dangerous drug smugglers
There is no reason for Trump to picking on Venezuela and only Venezuela other than for their oil.
Stop trying to make it sound like it's some justified righteous cause MAGA
Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Somalia, Nigeria, kuwait, Ukraine, Venezuela. Individually, each is a fabulous case example. In the aggregate they have unbelievable evidence to show that all we do is harm innocents, over there and no increasingly over here.
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