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Canada is pushing back on Chinese influence in the Taiwan Strait after Beijing ratcheted up tensions in East Asia by conducting military drills off Taiwan this week.

China’s People’s Liberation Army said Wednesday that it had “successfully completed” two days of military exercises in the waters off Taiwan, concluding a set of high-powered manoeuvres aimed at asserting its sovereignty over the island.

Global Affairs Canada says in a media statement that Canada “opposes any unilateral attempts to change the status quo across the Taiwan Strait.”

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The agency says the strait connecting the east and south China seas is “indispensable to the security and prosperity of the international community” and it’s “in the interest of all parties to maintain the peaceful and accessible nature of this waterway.”

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[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

Stop this war mongoring non sense. After WW II, Japan surrendered the island to China. It's part of the treaty. There is no separate treaty declarng an independent Taiwan.

I'm open to changing my openion and my vote if I see a treaty that superceeds the Treaty of San Fransisco, 1951 and it recognizes Taiwan as independent.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your opinion and “vote” is irrelevant.

The occupants of Taiwan have declared they are not subject to the mainlanders.

If China decides to invade, I hope Taiwanese burn the entire country to the ground. Make sure there is no high tech manufacturing or infrastructure left for invaders to use. I wonder if China would want it so badly then…

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not to disagree with your sentiment but this misses the core reason for China’s attitude towards Taiwan.

Earlier in Chinese history, the government fled to Taiwan. They still claim to be the real China. Taiwanese passports say Republic of China on them. China does not want two countries claiming to be “China”. They want one China; they want it to be them.

The tech capability of Taiwan is just a bonus.

[-] numeral_paver555@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

The two-China issue has been out of sight. It has been replaced by One Country on Each Side or independence. In other words, Taiwan is not claiming to be China in place of the People's Republic of China. Given the absence of that issue which could be politically rather than militarily resolved anyway, the reason for China can only be occupation or colonization, as seen in Hong Kong.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

This is actually correct. But it is important to note that both Republic of China and the People's Republic of China both agree that Taiwan belongs to China, there is no separate Taiwan but two Chinas. There is no formal declaration nor referendum stating Taiwan as independent. As you say the passports say "Republic of China" not "Taiwan", it's not me saying it it's them. It is a civil war we should not involve ourselves in.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

They disagree about which government should be in charge of the “one” China.

Of course you do not want independence if you think you are the rightful owner.

Most governments go along with the idea their should be “one China” without formally recognizing which of the two it should be.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I agree with saying "one China" but disagreeing which one is the rightful China. The problem is there are many people who think "Taiwan" is a country and try to impact foreign policy to reflect that belief instead of the facts.

[-] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

The riches that the Taiwanese have made are only part of the reason China wants the land. It's a strategic position for China to take control of along the chain of islands that block their access to the Pacific, all of which are currently friendly to the US. It would allow them to further encircle Japan and South Korea, two countries that house large US military bases, and give them an upper hand in talks as they can easily blockade shipments going to the two countries, and both Japan and SK rely quite a bit on oil tankers coming from the South China Sea for their energy needs. This is why Japan has been super nervous about the recent developments related to Taiwan, not just because of a clear weakening in the will of the US to defend its allies.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Japan signed the Treaty of San Fransisco, 1951 after being defeated in WW II. Them reneging on the term of surrendering the Island of Formosa (Taiwan is the Chinese name, Formosa is the indigenous name) to China (did not specify ROC or PRC) is a breach of that Treaty and Japan would be the aggressor.

In that case, China not Japan would be in a war of self defense.

[-] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

They aren't defending Taiwan as their own land but as a foreign country whose sovereignty is in their interest to protect. They'd renegade on nothing. Keep that fire hose off your own mouth.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Taiwan is not a signatory to the Treaty of San Fransisco, 1951 (Text: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%20136/volume-136-I-1832-English.pdf).

It's the weekend, you can go read it. It is this treaty Japan use for it's application to the United Nations.

Here is how the China delegation was reassigned from Taipei (Taiwan) to Beijing (Mainland) in 1971:

https://ask.un.org/faq/320138

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_2758

If you know, can you point to a Treaty or Resolution that establishes Taiwan as an independent country? To their declaration of independence? To the date of their founding, not just the date of their first election after the fall of Martial Law in 1989?

If you want Rule of Law and Treaties, you have to follow the rule of law. That means sometimes, people you don't like win.

If Alberta declares independence does that mean that Treaty 6, 7, 8 (which Alberta was not a Party to but Canada is) no longer apply? Can the United States protect Alberta as an independent sovereign state (not it's own territory) that aligns with its own interests?

If you believe in Treaties and Rule of Law then Taiwan is a Province of China and Alberta is a Province of Canada no matter the declarations of the politicians (Premier of Taiwan nor Daniel Smith) or other countries' interests.

What you want is to define everything you want as Rule of Law and everything you don't want as criminal or aggression. Then you convince people to follow "Rule of Law" which just means they can only agree with you and die for what you want but you don't have to follow anyone else.

I have listed primary sources, while you have just made statements with no backing.

You can choose to die and give all your money to RoC (Taiwan) instead of dedicating your life and resources for local causes. You are free to do so. It happened in the Spanish Civil War, a cause I and George Orwell agree with, because the government did not dedicate any resources to protect the Spanish Republic from Franco.

What I don't want you to do, is try to convince my family, friends, neighbourhood and country to shed blood and resources so you can play map maker to aid people who want to abrogate a Treaty. Because there will be a time (soon) when people (Daniel Smith, Pierre Polievre) will want to abrogate Treaties (Treaty 6, 7, 8, Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court) and when we ask them why they can they do that, they will point to you.

[-] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is such a keyboard warrior moment here with so little brain cells involved in the actual reasoning, and I can see that you're clearly trying to make use of the general anti-separatist sentiment here in Canada to rile people up that I find it almost pointless to reply to you. If you think that by simply listing some legitimate sources, you'd have the upper hand in an argument, you'd be dead wrong.

First off, while i certainly oppose Alberta's separating from Canada, if they make a legit case to show that the majority of their citizens are in support of that, I don't see why they can't just separate. Heck, any province can do that if they want to through legitimate means. Let's freaking talk about it.

Secondly, The Rule of Law is important, but it is not absolute. The Law has many limits, and heck, it even changes over time. Nothing that changes over time can be absolute; that's just contradictory.

Further, the Rule OF Law is something that is implemented, and good lawyers are trained to understand and uphold the "spirit" of the law, not the exact stipulations of it, which often leaves a lot of details unspecified or vague. And the Law isn't always updated in a timely manner to answer every complication or conflict in human society; that is practically impossible and untenable. In the case of China and Taiwan, let's say I forgive you to have very conveniently acknowledged the PRC as the sole owner of the name "China" while ignoring the ROC's claim over the name, and thus conveniently claiming that Taiwan should simply be treated as the land that the PRC has sovereigty over. The argument over who should be the legitimate receipient of the benefits from the aigned signed Treaty of San Francisco is irrelevant due to the civil war that's happened in China later on. Both parties are technically, or should I say, legally, at war with each other ever since. And if you really want to argue about that one dumb treated, well, there the damn Treaty of San Francisco itself doesn't legitimize either the PRC or ROC as the government of China. So bringing this up is moot, and, frankly, it just tells me what contents you've been fed with.

Now onto the where the limits of the law comes in. If we simply follow the letters of the law, oh boy do we have some fun situations that'd happen. So many darn countries would simply not exist if we simply follow it to the letter. France could've forever denied having signed a treaty with England to easily legitimate the UK as we know it, or, back in those days, apply enough pressure militarily and economically to the England to supress its people's desires to declare their own independence. This is what we see today with China; the people of Taiwan has repeatedly showed a desire to declare their own independence from the war, only to be threatened by China with military and economic force. While the Law certainly isn't under China's control, if we simply go by your wat of following the law to the dot, then you are simply ruling BY Law while claiming that this is the Rule OF Law, while simultaneously acknowleging thar it's totally fine and legitimate for stronger countries to strongarm weaker countries into capitulation and submission, all while putting their own claim on "following the law". If you do not understand what's so messed up here, I have nothing else to say to you.

The Rule OF Law is and should always be upheld with discretion, with a good understanding of its spirit instead of its letters, because its absolutism is only probably relevant for its time and not guaranteed to be timeless, unless the human society is held in stasis. Otherwise, and idk if you've even come to notice, it's very easily for interested parties to overwhelm the meaning of the law and uphold them in their own fashion, and thus Rule BY Law.

And finally, to your last 2 paragraphs, I'd say hold your fucking horses right there. Nobody is convincing civilians to be up in arms and fight in another nation here in Canada. IDK where you're even getting that from, and you seem so far radicalized that you appear to be rather extreme in how you even comprehend and interpret things. We're talking about Japan re-arming themselves to fight for Taiwan here, and I am in no way encouraging the Japanese to do so. What I am doing is to sympathize with their situation and understand why they think that this is their way to ensure their own survival. I don't care who the fuck you are, which country you're from, or what your beliefs are, but if you can't look at the situation that Japan is in and tell me they aren't doing this for self protection, for a country that has literally given up arms for almost 80 fucking years, you either need to grow up and understand human politics, or you're a naive tool for the CCP.

If you're just here to be a tool, then I have wasted my breath on you, but I hope this message would still somehow make some sense to you, or to someone else. Peace out.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

The Rule of Law is important, but it is not absolute.

Awesome, so if your murderer gets away with murdering you, you should not worry because...

good lawyers are trained to understand and uphold the “spirit” of the law, not the exact stipulations of it

As the famously good and well trained OJ Simpson lawyer said, while upholding the “spirit” of the law not the exact stipulations of it:

"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

[-] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

You're impossible. You do not understand the essence of text and would very much prefer to read them in the worst way possible, and thus fall back on strict absolutism of the law. I cannot help you, and would very much suggest you seek help and therapy. Best of luck to you.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yes indeed, it is impossible. The essence of the text says if the president does it it's not illegal, the literal dots and crosses be damned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhzfwXLVP8

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Thank you for telling me that my "vote" is irrelevent in a democracy. I have cast my ballot in alignment with this position and convince others to do the same. Recognizing other people's opinions and votes affect me in a democracy, not telling people they are irrelevant, is the basis of universal suffrage.

I'm guessing if there is a war, you want me to fight and die for that same kind of "democracy".

Since you like this opinion-irrelevant type of "democracy", you should agree it doesn't matter what the Taiwanese think or declare, they are a part of China. Again if someone shows me a Treaty that supercedes the Treaty of San Fransisco, 1951 I'm glad to change my opinion.

If I say that I am independent from my landlord, would the Canadian government say the deed establishing my landlord's right to the place I call home does not apply or instead defend the landlord against my declaration? The answer, no. Why not the same for the Treaty ending WW II?

I'd rather fight and die to ensure my independence from my landlord rather than die for the Taiwanese and then when I declare my independence the Taiwanese don't show up.

Be careful what you wish for. The CPC would like to have TSMC but it's not necessary for them. We on the other hand don't have domestic hi-tech manufacturing due to companies off-shoring.

Companies and politicians want you to care about Taiwan because they shipped those jobs over there and instead of re-shoring those jobs, they want us to die.

[-] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The 'warmongering nonsense' comes from Beijing as it is all about the Chinese party-state's military drills around Taiwan.

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