We don't need foam or arch support or any of that shit in our shoes, it's all marketing nonsense. We've got muscles in our feet for a reason. Save your feet, knees etc. and buy something like a pair of vivobarefoot shoes.
Foam I agree that is a bad idea.
Arch support? Yeah you might want to do a little more research.
Every foot is different, and for some, like those who experience a lot of supination or high arches, arch support is likely the best way to go.
But there does seem to be a growing body of evidence that modern shoe design seems to promote weak arch muscles, and thus lead to pronation and flat arches, where as shoes with zero drop and no arch support, if transitioned to slowly, will eventually build up those muscles and no longer require support. I think there's also a strong case to be made in favor of shoes with a large toebox that doesn't squeeze the toes together.
Not sure I agree on the high arch needing support, but thanks for putting it more eloquently. A large toe box is definitely important too for walking more naturally.
Happy to be provided some. I got told I needed arch support after I'd been fairly inactive for over a year due to injury. I went barefoot style instead and my feet have never been happier.
It's different for everyone my dude. You probably have a naturally flexible flat foot, which tend to do well with little or no arch support. Some people have varus or valgus hindfoot deformities that can damage tendon or ligaments without orthotic bracing.
Soft foam like memory foam tend to not work very well as they're too soft and can actually allow people with deformities to exceed their healthy range of motion.
Yeah if you've got a diagnosed problem that's a different story. But the average foot doesn't need that support.
There's no such thing as the average or normal foot.....the vast majority (around 70%) of people in the United States have been born with or acquired pes planus deformities (flat footed). But in that category you have flexible flat feet, which don't usually require support. And you have rigid pes planus, that do usually require bracing.
You also have to account for age. You for one may not require support right now, but as you age you will acquire arthritis, loss of beneficial range of motion , and probably an excessive range of motion in the medial to lateral plane, allowing for over pronation.
You're claim may be closer to correct if you specified age, weight, and activity level, or specific a foot type.
It is in fact exceedingly rare to see western people who can remain in perfect subtalar neutral while weight bearing, and thus it's fairly rare for people to be active to a late age without sustaining chronic foot and ankle injuries over time.
The reason for that might be the fact that we're been cramming our feet into shoes that ruin them and don't allow the muscles to develop.
Also there can't not be an average.
The reason for that might be the fact that we're been cramming our feet into shoes that ruin them and don't allow the muscles to develop.
What muscles would those be? What beneficial range of motion are we limiting to a degree that shoes inhibit healthy muscle growth?
What about athletes whom do not utilize footwear while they perform or practice? Shouldn't we see this optimum foot with dancers or gymnast?
Also there can't not be an average.
There can be averages for certain age groups.......there is no data for overall average, why would you even compile that?
just because something works for you does not mean it will work in all cases. that is a bad way to do research. try looking beyond yourself.
I suffered with foot and back pain for years until I found arch supports. They make all the difference in the world. I can wear any kind of shoe as long as I put my arch support in it and stand on my feet for 18 hours with no issue.
You got anything lower-end that are similar but not as expensive to try out?
I wouldn't recommend barefoot running shoes unless you are running on soft surfaces. I am a provider who specializes in orthopedics and rehabilitation, specifically orthotics and prosthetics at a university hospital.
Our clinic is mainly patient care oriented, but we do get to do some research. The barefoot running fad was kicked off by from what I believe to be a purposely clumsy interpretation of some really interesting studies.
Mostly an investigative study about the bio mechanics of tribes in Africa who traditionally ran long distances without foot wear. The study is actually really great, but a lot of the proclaimed benefits aren't really applicable to other environments or cultures.
These tribes had their runners training without shoes at a very young age, and always on soft surfaces. If you take away any of the preconditions and the benefits also disappear.
Whitin barefoot shoes on amazon are a great entry into the barefoot style, they're very affordable and depending on the exact style you choose, actually seem to hold up surprisingly well for the price. Make sure you go for the ones that explicitly say they are Wide though, those have the most natural toebox shape.
There's also Splay! Shoes, which offer some affordable barefoot shoes that look like Vans.
I can't speak for other brands I'm afraid, only ever tried Vivo after taking the plunge. They are expensive so a cheaper one may be worth a shot if they're more available now.
Xero shoes are popular and more reasonably priced though I have no experience with them myself.
Xero are great but be warned that they are truly minimal. No heel drop, very thin sole. The soles last forever though.
A nurse friend of mine told me that Sketcher are one of the most popular shoes in that profession. He recommended them if you had to be on your feet a lot.
Memory foam anything is terrible.
I don't have am answer why, but my feet hurt like hell after a day of standing around or walking without the memory foam. I'm trying to find a good pair of professional looking shoes that fit like Sketcher memory foam actually.
If you'd like to try the barefoot concept of shoe, Carrots (Edit: Carets) shoes make really nice dress-style barefoot shoes.
Carets?
That was it! Thanks man
I haven't used theirs, but I've got On Cloud shoes (one of those with double layers of dampening) and Adidas 4D / 4DFWD 3D printed mesh shoes, and both are really soft and stable simultaneously and work very well. Although they're also both on the expensive side too.
Sketchers make loafers and other "professional" type shoes. I wore a brown leather pair everyday for 8 years when I was still in an office.
I tried a pair of boat shoes, I think? They slip on. They're not as comfortable, so my feet still hurt. I think it has to do with arch support? Maybe?
I couldn't agree more. I wore a few sketchers in the past and thought the memory foam would give comfort. A month ago I went to a shoe store again and wore another pair of shoes to run, this tme decided to try out other ones. And damn don't they feel much better than my sketcher pairs I've ever wore.
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