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Season 1 Episode 9: La Chica o El Mundo

Air Date: December 24th, 2025

Synopsis: Season finale. Manousos arrives in Albuquerque and complications ensue. Carol visits the last best place on Earth.

Directed by: Gordon Smith

Written by: Gordon Smith, Alison Tatlock

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[-] cambodia@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's a good show. Nothing spectacular IMO. A solid 7. I didn't have an issue with the slow pace, but I do have an issue with this slow place + having to wait 2-3 years for a new season. Watching an entire season for nothing to happen and now I have to wait 2-3 years for plot to continue inching forward again? I'll likely have lost almost all interest in this show when season 2 comes out.

The best part was the cold open. Any semblance of society only existing in the proximity of an immune. The goat was heartbreaking.

[-] djdarren@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

The goat thing was the element my wife and I discussed more than anything else.

Last week we learned that they don't keep pets, but they told Carol that if a pet wants to maintain a relationship with their individual then they'll honour that. We also know that they can't willingly hurt anything that lives. So with that in mind, why did they abandon the goats?

Evidently they don't need goats for anything, but that one in particular was obviously a pet, with an attachment. And they've just left it for dead knowing that it has essentially no survival skills.

Which led me on to pondering whether they still farm livestock. Do they still maintain sheep herds in order to harvest wool? Do they eat eggs?

[-] cambodia@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I didn't consider the goat/dog parallel. I wonder if it was a conscious choice or a slight oversight on the writers' part.

[-] djdarren@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

If there's something I've learned from the work of Vince Gilligan it's that there are rarely oversights on the part of the writing. Everything has a meaning.

[-] cambodia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I agree... but also I wonder if they're even going to revisit this detail with the new season 2-3 years later.

[-] BennyInc@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

Well… I think a dog would follow its owner for days, thus making it clear it wants/needs the closeness. The goat(s) didn’t really follow that far, and I guess just won’t behave like a dog.

[-] white_nrdy@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

IIRC they released all of the livestock. I agree that that is really doing more harm than good in terms of the safety, since domestic animals like that won't have the skills to survive in the wild.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Speaking of the goat scene, was that the Andes mountains in Chile? Or somewhere else?? I absolutely love that style of clothing they wear. I’m amazed some fashion house hasn’t appropriated a riff on that look.

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I don't know what hurt Carol more. Zosia revealing that they found a new way to Plurb her, or Zosia saying that she loved Manousos just as much as she loved Carol. Probably the second one. I think Carol could live in a fantasy as long as Zosia loved her uniquely. They probably could have convinced her to willingly join, eventually.

Also Chekhov's atom bomb.

[-] dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

Yeah you could see how crushed Carol was when Zosia dropped that bombshell. No matter how much Carol coached Zosia to say "I" instead of "we," Zosia is still a member of the hivemind and their "relationship" will always reflect that.

I've enjoyed the little piecemeal details we've gotten about Zosia's past so far. I'm really looking forward to meeting the real Zosia. Hopefully next season Manousos' faraday cage pluribus signal jammer can make that happen. I've been wondering about the real Zosia's sexuality and if she'd even still have feelings for Carol without the hivemind's influence.

[-] Pluribus@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

It would be cool if real Zosia felt disgust at Carol, maybe for having sex with her body, or she would just detest her behaviour. Basically I would like real Zosia to have personality opposite to the "Zosia" persona created for Carol.

[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 5 points 2 months ago

Are you kind of assuming the old person is still "in there", like Manuso seems to believe (based on what he said to Rick).

If we took the others at face value, they love the connection they have and would probably be devastated if separated off. The experience of bonding to everyone might take away old preferences and prejudices.

[-] bamboo 2 points 2 months ago

I think that's what they're going for, that the person is still there and can be revived from the hivemind by jamming the signal. My guess for season 2 is that they do get Carol into the hivemind and it'll be up to Manousos to bring her back.

[-] shems@piefed.social 9 points 2 months ago

I don’t understand how Carol suddenly became so trusting toward the Hive. Why does she think she’s talking to Zosia directly just because she told her to say “I” instead of “we”? She was clearly deeply hurt when Zosia said she loved Manosous just as much as she loved Carol. But really, that shouldn’t have surprised her. By now, Carol knows a lot about how the Hive works.

And why did she request an atomic bomb instead of her eggs? I was pretty sure it was her eggs until she mentioned it to Manosous.

I really liked the episode, though. The live-translator joke was genuinely funny. I just hope season two doesn’t take too long to come out.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 4 points 2 months ago

Remember what’s happened in the show: Carol was first traumatized by loss…then abandoned…then “fell in love” with Zosia.

At the best of times a person would believe that time spent means intimacy gained…even in the context of the collective Pluribus. It’s one of the oldest flaws in human nature: we believe effort expended equals value.

I’m not sure what question she could have asked or how she could have known that Pluribus has a “static” emotional state…especially given what she was going through and that she was only interacting with Zosia.

[-] shems@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe it just goes to show how manipulative they really are. They give someone a person based solely on looks and force her to mimic the memories of a lost loved one, only to abandon her and later return to 'simulate' a relationship. I can see how that would completely destroy someone's mental state.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 2 points 2 months ago

I mean…you have to know that’s a selective assessment of what happened on the show:

Pluribus was never traditionally “manipulative” about what they were doing…they were up front about who they chose, why they said what they said, and what they’re objective is. Pluribus also couldn’t have foreseen that Carol was going to kill thousands on thousands of them and force them to withdraw. They would have preferred to stay with Carol and convince her organically.

[-] placebo@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

She asked them to come back and that episode ended with an emotional hug. I think she got desperate alone and got carried away with this illusion that Zosia was her girlfriend.

And why did she request an atomic bomb instead of her eggs?

I'm sure there is an in-universe explanations, but wouldn't that be lame? An atomic bomb makes a more interesting story. It can be used to destroy the giant antenna that controls the hive.

[-] BennyInc@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Only if you drop it on the antenna and detonate it — which given the size, weight and location of that crate doesn’t seem likely?

[-] neuracnu 7 points 2 months ago

😮‍💨 🚁 ☢️ 🫢

[-] evlogiy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Honestly, this was the weakest episode for me. What happened to Carol during the 40-day solitude period? Why did she suddenly become protective of the Hive? She was anti-Hive for seven episodes, telling fellow munies that the people around them weren’t their family. Then after the 40-day breakup and sleeping with Zosia, she’s suddenly all protective. I expected her to call the Hive back and try to get closer to Zosia to explore ways of freeing people from the Hive. Remember that moment in episode 8 when Carol asked Zosia something personal and she stuttered, as if briefly disconnected from the Hive? Nothing came of that?

Some viewers haven’t loved the show’s pacing, but this episode moved so fast I feel like we missed crucial pieces—what actually happened to Carol, and why has she changed so suddenly?

And why didn’t she forbid them from developing the personalized virus? Or take the eggs back? All that “You wouldn’t do this if you loved me” dialogue feels completely unlike the Carol we’ve seen all season. At this point, we need a spin-off just to explain what happened during those 40 days of solitude.

Also, it’s impossible to produce stem cells from eggs alone. Eggs only carry half of Carol’s DNA. It seems more feasible to clone her using her full DNA from hair, skin, saliva—basically any somatic cell—than to derive stem cells from just half her genetic material. We’d need a biologist to clarify, but this feels like total bullcrap to me.

[-] strahlemann@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Why did she suddenly become protective of the Hive?

She had always been protective of people and felt bad if they collapsed after she got angry. 40 days is quite a long time to be completely isolated and if Zosia hadn’t come back, Carol probably would have killed herself. Also, notice how she confronts Manousos with similar arguments she was initially confronted with by the other humans: “Have you even tried talking to them? You could learn a thing or two.” She wants to be the one who knows better than others even if that means switching sides depending on who she’s talking to.

[-] popcar2@piefed.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Like I get that she's a selfish person who immediately lost interest in saving the world now that she wasn't in danger but I agree with you, it's absolutely crazy that the show is trying to convince us she ate the blue pill so hard that she gets mad at the one person in the entire world that wants to save it. Why is she so dismissive and rude to him? Isn't this literally what she was preaching? All of this because she had sex? Lol.

And why didn’t she forbid them from developing the personalized virus? Or take the eggs back?

I guess it's implied that they can't honor requests to not turn her, but this indeed still a big plot hole. Why can't she just fly over to where they're doing the testing and steal the eggs back? They can't do anything to stop her. I don't understand how owning an atom bomb and saving the world is somehow easier than arguing with the hive to stop doing research.

I'm probably not going to be back for season 2 whenever that releases. Happy for the people in the community that are having fun but this felt like a big waste of time.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

I guess it’s implied that they can’t honor requests to not turn her, but this indeed still a big plot hole. Why can’t she just fly over to where they’re doing the testing and steal the eggs back? They can’t do anything to stop her. I don’t understand how owning an atom bomb and saving the world is somehow easier than arguing with the hive to stop doing research.

It's probably insurance for when they do process the virus to infect her. Basically saying that get too close and I'll detonate it.

[-] teft@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

They infected the world via aerosol dispersal and it took minutes. I don’t think Carol could detonate fast enough if they really wanted to get her and Manusos.

[-] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

And why didn’t she forbid them from developing the personalized virus? Or take the eggs back? All that “You wouldn’t do this if you loved me” dialogue feels completely unlike the Carol we’ve seen all season. At this point, we need a spin-off just to explain what happened during those 40 days of solitude.

I agree that she probably should have asked (and may have did offscreen). I think they'd refuse. It would contradict their priority which is infecting Carol.

[-] neuracnu 4 points 2 months ago

Has Carol ever flat out asked The Others† to sever their connection? That it would make her happy to return the human race to autonomy? I suddenly don't recall them ever telling her "No" at any point.

† "The Others" is how Vince & co refer to the hive (ref).

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s been reinforced through exposition that Pluribus won’t deviate from it’s imperative to join everybody.

(I’m not calling Pluribus “The Others”, primarily because what they should be called is really obvious to me…and because “The Others” refers to to many collectives from sci fi and elsewhere…some of them terrible. F*ck Lost. F*ck that terrible Nicole Kidman movie).

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