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[-] TrinityTek@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Everyone commenting seems to be missing your point. Regardless how people feel about pets and fireworks, people should be aware that the 4th of July revelry can be extremely difficult for some veterans suffering from PTSD. There's one I know personally who was in combat in Iraq and saw really terrible things. You can tell talking to him it deeply effects him to this day. I think of it a lot when I hear illegal fireworks. At least with the official fireworks shows they know when to expect it. The illegal fireworks are just random out of the blue and could easily trigger a PTSD episode. Maybe the guy in the screenshot talking about patriotism should consider that.

[-] Dangdoggo@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I think it just comes down to being a basic considerate human being. Shoot all the fireworks you like if you're not at risk of bugging anyone. I live on the edge of town in a mostly commercial district so around the 4th I'll fire off whatever but if I lived in a neighborhood I'd either leave town or not buy fireworks. Pretty easy stuff.

[-] BaldProphet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Plenty of legal fireworks can do this too.

[-] lemmy@lemmy.quad442.com 21 points 1 year ago

As a Veteran who has PTSD and does not do well on 4th of July. I fought for people's freedom. Let them enjoy their fireworks and I'll stay on my farm fat away taking care of my turkeys who also hate fireworks.

[-] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not everyone can do that. A form of entrainment doesn't override the right for someone now to experience ptsd episodes in their own home.

[-] TskUghPfftUhh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

There is being considerate of other's life experiences and then there is being unreasonable. There's so many things that can trigger PTSD in people, are you suggesting we stop doing anything that may trigger someone's trauma? Some people get triggers from benign things (my mother used to suffer traumatic flashbacks from certain smells such as wet mud, I get panic attacks if someone comes up behind me and touches me, I've met someone who gets triggered by cars backfiring or balloons popping). The point is that fireworks, mud, people touching you, and backfiring cars are a part of normal life. There are a TONNE of possible triggers, we couldn't possibly avoid every one of them for every sufferer out there. It isn't up to the rest of the world to change their lives to revolve around us and our issues. It's our own responsibility to try to cope and deal with our problems as best we can. It sucks. I say this as someone who suffers from severe PTSD/agoraphobia among a number of other mental health issues that I have been working on for many years. It's really unfair that this has happened to us but it's also not fair to expect everyone else in the neighbourhood to stop having fun because we are sadly conditioned to have a traumatic response to something.

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[-] Astronaut_M_Dexter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So you're basically saying "Yes, it's a problem, but it doesn't affect me personally so let it be"?

🙄

[-] phosphorik@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I make sure I’m not around for anything I am personally unusually sensitive to. Can’t expect society not to do any thing which anyone anywhere might not like.

[-] relevants@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

How do you propose someone makes sure they aren't around any people who might be setting off fireworks? Are all veterans automatically wealthy enough to be able to stay in the middle of nowhere for two weeks??

[-] Dexies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I’ve got an idea, how about we do like Covid lockdowns but like permanently and no one’s allowed to do anything. That’ll solve it.

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh how I fucking wish, that was the most wonderful time of my life. Peace and quiet,, for the first time ever.... it was beautiful.

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[-] Lhianna@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

How about people just stick to the rules and do their fireworks on the one fucking day they're supposed to go off. Be it 4th of July in the US or NYE here in Europe.

But hey, just like with the COVID rules, people just can't manage that, right?

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[-] lemmy@lemmy.quad442.com 7 points 1 year ago

Wow is this guy missing the point. Most of us who have PTSD are very happy that people have the right to do their foreworks

[-] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I feel like fireworks aren't covered by the 2nd amendment. I have spoken to plenty of veterans who were miserable when fireworks go off. They didn't go through hell to relive it. You act tough but it's not healthy.

[-] lemmy@lemmy.quad442.com 4 points 1 year ago

did someone say thy are?

[-] Astronaut_M_Dexter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have the right to drive up to your house, park on the side of the street, and blast "Baby Got Back" on a loop at 250 dB until the wee hours of the morning, but I don't do that. Because I'm not an asshole. And I'm already over-budget this year for public performance rights to songs about the buttocks. But mostly the former.

Someone else said it in another comment: Be a good neighbor - that's all we're asking.

[-] WhipTheLlama@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You don't have the right to do that because almost everywhere has some kind of noise bylaw. Also, 194 dB is the maximum possible sound energy through air.

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[-] harmonea@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Most of us

[citation needed]

I'm glad it's not an issue for you out there and think it's mighty chill of you to put others before yourself in this regard. Cheers and raised glasses all around, genuinely. But it's also not really okay for you to speak for "most of" everyone who has PTSD and doesn't have a far-off farm to escape to. I've seen some people very close to me get incredibly messed up during impromptu neighborhood fireworks shows.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No actually, he's directly admitting he is personally affected by it, do you read English?

He's saying that his PTSD isn't everyone else's responsibility, and that they should be able to do what they want without having to be concerned if it's going to bother someone who has unique circumstances.

As opposed to all the nanny state bullshit in this thread.

Ban fireworks in cities and places where it's too dry to light them, otherwise who gives a shit.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Who had their freedom threatened?

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[-] phx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I never really thought about farm animals and fireworks. How about chickens/horses/etc?

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pets and PTSD aside, I just get sick of hearing the goddamned things go off every 5 minutes until 3 am every fucking day from June thru August.

Be a good fucking neighbor for fuck's fucking sake. Put on a good show on the 4th, clap for the boom booms, and then stop. Some people have jobs and need sleep. Otherwise we might get cranky.

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[-] Kyle@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

It should be said, if you have a puppy or are getting a puppy. Socialize and habituate them to the sounds. Start with recordings of fireworks playing in another room, treat them when they react to the sounds. When they start wagging their tails and come to you when they hear it, make it more intense by increasing the volume or bringing then into the room. Keep practicing and proofing multiple days per week for months until your puppy happily comes to you when they hear loud bangs.

My puppy now wags his tail and joyfully comes to me when lightning strikes because he thinks it's a fun treat game. Absolutely way better than the alternative. It takes a few weeks with puppies, could take years for traumatized rescues and adults.

[-] kaffeebohne@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

I don't really like lighting fireworks myself but even i am SO tired of the anual "PeOpLe WhO dO FiReWoRkS aRe AwFuLl bEcAuSe PeTs ArE ScArEd"

[-] Cybermass@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I mean, if you know your dog is scared of fireworks, then you should just get your dog some ear muffs and some treats and chill with em until the fireworks are over, give em love so that they learn that it's nothing bad.

If you complain about something that doesn't directly affect your dog, but your not willing to train your dog or put in the effort and love to help it, then you are a bad dog owner.

Don't blame the doggos, and don't blame the people minding their own business not hurting anyone, life isn't supposed to be super easy no problems 24/7.

[-] asjmcguire@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Nah, can't scroll past this one without commenting - because so many things that have been said matter of factly are just plain wrong.

  1. Dogs just like people have their own personalities, just because SOME dogs can be trained to ignore fireworks, it does not mean ALL dogs can be - some dogs - just like people, suffer from various anxieties, it can't be helped.

  2. The main point you seem to be missing - yes you can stay in and chill with your pooch on the ACTUAL day that fireworks are expected to be going off, but what you cannot do - is stay in and chill with your pooch for weeks before and weeks after the actual day, because people randomly decide to let them off.

The fact that you brand everyone a bad dog owner if their dog cannot tolerate fireworks though, is the thing that made me need to comment, what a stupid thing to say. That's like saying that if your child suffers from anxiety then you are a bad parent.

[-] HelixDab@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Most of the people I've known with anxiety did have bad parents.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Tried all of that. Only thing that works is basically drugging my dog up with tramadol until they pass out.

Many animals just don’t do well with fireworks and no amount of positive reinforcement will ever remedy it. It is what it is.

[-] Whirlgirl9@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

yeah, last year some chucklehead was firing off big fireworks and set my neighbor's roof on fire. it was around midnight and very scary. one's desire to see pretty bang bangs does not override other's desire to not lose all their shit to a fire.

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[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Over here in Central Europe, the fourth of July is obviously not a thing. Our fireworks day is the night between the last and the first day of the year.

Over the last few years it got restriceted more and more and now many cities prohibit private fireworks completely and instead put on a professional show in a few places. It's so much better now in basically every aspect.

I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?

Same ones that handed them guns as a right, speaking as a US Citizen I really hate that right.

[-] Astronaut_M_Dexter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's not so much the right itself, just the batshit crazy interpretation of it and our collective gun fetish culture. The nutjobs zero in on the "shall not be infringed" part completely ignoring the "well regulated" part that comes before that. *sigh*

[-] HelixDab@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

"Well regulated" means trained. Not governed by a central authority. Anyone that goes to a range to practice regularly would be considered "well related".

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[-] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

In italy we had fireworks constantly hit the house it was so dangerous.

Firework use is prohibited where I live, but the sale is allowed. I hate it so damn much. Maybe I just getting old, but any kind of noise pollution drives me up the wall these day. I get pissed at my neighbour's Corvette that he insists of revving at 5am almost daily.

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[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Imagine having so much money you can buy a bunch of explosives and set em off for fun. Might as well just set the money on fire.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah this 20 bucks worth of bottle rockets and Roman candles was really putting me into the next tax bracket over here.

[-] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You're downvoted, but I laughed. Imagine not being okay with someone else enjoying something you don't.

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Can someone explain what's wrong with the original post? He's not wrong.

[-] richie510@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Fireworks are illegal in my city but people light them off constantly for NYE, sports, 4th etc. I wish people respected the law, but it is also annoying to hear all the whining about scared fur babies.

[-] what@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Personal fireworks are illegal in my city as well. I personally love that everyone collectively says nahhhh we are going to do it anyways.

I don't set any off but I enjoy watching people have fun and it tends to be a pretty good show.

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I mean valid point about ptsd but also that's not what they're talking about.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Fireworks are illegal in my area (wildfire risk is too high) but people still set them off anyway. I’d love to see one of my neighbors try to cop this attitude with me. I mean I understand if people want to go play with them but this guy went out of his way to say “fuck all dogs” and what kind of a person says that?

[-] Skepticpunk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. I hope you don't mind me firing my gun in the air wildly while you set off those fireworks. After all, I'm just celebrating the Fourth like you! Why should I be blamed just because the bullets are coming down onto people and killing them? It's not like I meant to kill anyone!

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[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The people round here love their fireworks. There was a whole ass fireworks show in the fire clearing right down the street. It's almost every night in summer, pretty large aerial fireworks going off, particularly bad the weeks leading up to and after the 4th.

It's annoying af. But I'm used to it, and I don't really have a say in what those people do with their summer nights, nor do I want to.

Taking care of a dog is tough. It's like a child, especially a puppy. I have cats. But always had dogs growing up. I'm still unsure if I want to take the plunge, cause my cat is super needy and will probably hate me lol

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