This is the great thing about Christianity.
Their holy book is so vague and so contradictory (even the four gospels don't agree on details) that you can pick and choose whatever the heck you want to justify your worldview. It's a 'Choose Your Own Adventure' religion.
They don't love Jesus, they love their perception of Jesus
A hateful and exclusive white jesus?
Is there any other type? Besides for racist and anti abortion
There's also the type that says you have to shill money out for churches instead of poor people
On that note it's fucking baffling to me that elderly people making fuck-all from their pension see this giant pretentious building with expensive wall paint and gilded pictures and think "I better donate to that"
The Bible is a wonderful book; you can prove anything you want with it.
-Mark Twain
And before Christianity, the old testament and Judaism was the same way. It's almost like all these religions purposely steal whatever local belief a particular culture holds at the time, and then twists it however they can to benefit those in positions of power.
Remember jesus's mom was a virgin, that means jesus had no Y chromosome.
Jesus was born female and lived her life as a man.
God, despite being male presenting identifies as non-binary.
You can't just walk around with half a genome. Clearly the other half were god genes.
Species of sharks, snakes, lizards, wasps/bees, ants and what not do reproduce asexually sometimes. That said... Just like stoning a man for sleeping with another man, the punishment for a woman getting pregnant out of wedlock was also stoning.
So when someone says did you have sex out of wedlock? The answer seems to be a coerced no.
They don't "follow the bible" so much as they "use the Bible to justify their shitty worldview"
If you want to get on that nerd shit, they don't bother to correctly translate the bible. The singular instance of condemnation of homosexuality is better translated as a condemnation of pederasty. And we've already demonstrated that Christian church leaders have no problem with this.
I bet this argument was made at least a dozen times in church leader debates over the years: "it says when a man lays with another man, not a boy!"
This John dude seems to have been quite the wokist.
The First 4 references at the top, are followers of John the Baptist who got bounced from their [Jewish] community for following Jesus. The bottom group "first & second John" is actually a dude named John.
They won't necessarily say it, but they don't consider 'THEM QUEERS' people. Not as long as almighty god still backs the boys in blue and the NRA.
Also, when he said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, he wasn’t just talking about feelings or tone of voice. He was talking about the way you treat them. He insisted that people are required to provide care for others at the same level you care you provide for yourself. Food, shelter, clothing, medicine, friendship, you are responsible for all those things no less than your own.
And who is your neighbor? He answered that, too. The people you hate. Those of other foreign places and religions. All of them. The out-groups. And however you treat them, no matter how little you think of them, that god they claim to believe in says he takes it very personally.
Personally, I’m a fan of that radical leftist Jesus guy. It’s a shame that “Christians” are the opposite of everything he demanded and stood for.
Yeah.
I don't get obsessing over a single quote, only to miss the theme the book obsessively hammers in, which is what you said.
Beloved
Let us love one another
For love is of god and everyone who loves
Is born of god
And knows god
He who doesn’t love
Doesn’t know god for god is love
Beloved
Let us love one another
Amen
"I can love my fellow man, But I'm damned if I'll love yours"
Andrew eldritch - 'I Was Wrong'
Jesus didn't say such a thing, it was John, Rom, Thess, Peter, John again. (BTW who are Rom and Thess)?
Rom is a Ferengi in Star Trek, the brother of Quark.
rom is likely the Romans and thess is likely Thessalonians
odysseus is that you?
John would be quoting Jesus though, no?
Romans and Thessalonias, two parishes Paul wrote letters to; the "books" comprised of those letters are named after the respective parish.
Well, lets take it the other way.
Where in the bible does Jesus say to hate LGBTQ+ people?
I'm not doing the work for you, but it very clearly says if a man lies with another man like they do with a woman they should be stoned to death.
It's in the old testament, in Hebrew. Saying if a man lays with a male.. which my favorite part of that argument goes back to every Catholic/ Christian not being saved by God and their souls eternally left behind.. which is what one might call eternal damnation.
So they say. "Yeah we don't like gays, or anybody who believes Jesus is God's son".
Yeah let's scrap the part about all of us being eternally damned, and let's leave in the part about stoning people different than us.
Oh and, let's make up pergatory and hell so we can scare more people and make more money
Be gay - get high. Got it thx
That wasn't Jesus.
Sure it was. Jesus and God are one, if God said it, that means Jesus said it.
Jesus says so
I may be an atheist who hates organized religion, but I also read a lot about the early church because I'm a history nerd. If there ever was a historical Jesus who preached anything approaching the message he's purported to have taught in the christian bible, it was a new covenant and a lot of the old rules were judged unnecessary.
That said, the old testament is a hate book. Modern christianity (especially in the USA) is a hate cult. Organized religion is a cancer.
I love Christian history, it's so very ridiculous.
Did you know that "testament" meant to swear on your balls (testicles)? They would grab their junk on making an oath.
So, we could call it Old and New "I swear on testicles this is true".
Also, Christians cut off their balls for many centuries.
Christian history has a lot of foreskins and balls
(agnostic here)
Jesus said that?
Except not literally, then you kill them for adultery.
Let's remember that it's a different kind of love, a love where eternal suffering is considered appropriate, and even just, and that when a Christian says they are excited about Jesus's return, that means that He will return at the head of a Holy Army and they will murder every non-Christian.
The lake of blood will be 200 miles wide, up to a horse's bridle!
So, they "love" you, but, yeah.
I knew a lot of ex-atheists becoming far-right christians. They were drawn to religion by the irrationality of it, not the "love thy neighbor" quotes.
I don't need God and the Bible to have a reason for trying to be kind to others and be forgiving towards people who try their best, but slip up, as humans tend to.
What makes faith so tempting is the idea of bringing order to the absurd. There are things I can't control in life, but if I trust someone else to sort them out, I don't need to worry so much. The promise of love, salvation and protection is a powerful draw in this increasingly hostile world. Easy answers to the uncertainties plaguing me are highly convenient. Far-right supremacist ideologies hit many of those notes too.
I miss my faith. Well, that's not accurate; I miss the comfort and the relief of asking someone else to take care of things troubling me. I miss the fuzzy feeling when I decide that some arbitrary boon is a divine token of love. I miss the optimism that it'll all work out. I miss the dream of heaven.
Apostasy is fucking painful. So many times, I wished I could just go back to believing. I can absolutely understand how people would willingly lean into that comfortable lie. I also know the slide into bigotry.
"Love thy neighbour" can be a fulcrum to break out of that delusion, but it won't be enough on its own.
He didn't have to wait long. This should go on MurderedByWords too.
The truth is most self-described Christians are devil worshipers bound for Hell. God made gay and trans people because God wants there to be gay and trans people. If you have a problem with that, you are violating the will of the Divine. And if you worship a god of hatred, if you embrace hate and the core of Jesus's message? Sorry, you're not worshiping God, you're worshiping the Devil. The vast majority of conservative Christians are devil worshipers bound for the Pit.
I forgive them for their sins. And God have mercy on their souls. They're going to need it.
He's still waiting, not seen any yet. 🫣
He played himself by calling them “people,” didn’t he?
Treat others as you would like to be treated, one of the messages from Jesus I learnt from the religious school I went to in the UK. The good Samaritan is another.
hasn't anybody here grabbed a bible, looked at the first page, and read this sentence: "The waters fell upon the waters, which separated the waters from the waters." or a variation of that?
If Jesus didn't say something are they not allowed to do it?
Jesus never said not to run people over with your car so is that ok for these people?
When you set yourself apart as “special” and above everyone else the rules don’t apply to you.
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