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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 95 points 6 months ago

It's hard to boycott the price gouging bastards when it's just 3 companies owning the entire market of what you literally need to buy every week to live.

The best I can do is make maximum use of my local farmer's market but it's closed for the season now. Which is a bummer because not only it was cheaper, but the produce was fresher and of higher quality.

[-] Hazematman@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

100% Agree, I thankfully have a local grocery store close to me so I can avoid the big 3, but this isn't a realistic option for everyone. I'm hesitant to just buy online for things like produce as my experience with them has been mediocre (I haven't tried costco though).

This really isn't a problem the everyday Canadian can fix without the government stepping in and breaking up the monopoly of Loblaws, Sobey's and Metro.

I'd love to see a future Canada where there was more local grocery chains, with the same access to product that the big three have. Also would be great if they were closer to where people lives so people wouldn't feel like the need to drive to get their groceries.

[-] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Costco produce ordered online can be a bit hit or miss, unfortunately. You know how when you shop at Costco, it's usually better to dig down a layer with produce since the top box always has everything that's been rejected by someone else? I'd guess, based on our mixed success, that some Instacart shoppers just grab from the top of the pile. We've had some shops with bad produce, but most have been great.

What sucks is that if you return it to the warehouse, you don't get the full price back because of the Instacart markup; on the either hand, you can sometimes return things at a net profit because of Instacart offers (like the $10/mo. Executive Members thing.)

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You can order food online from Well, Co-op & Costco.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 months ago

I have space, I keep 50lbs of AP flour, 100lbs of rice, 40 lbs of Maseca, and 40lbs of pizza flour.

Family of 4 goes through it all over the year and i re-buy. Then I make it a point to make stuff from each every week to keep costs down.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

My parents have had decent success packaging and freezing some farm stand stuff for later.

[-] Botanicals@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Your folks have the right idea! I'll add that canning certain things is also a great skill to learn

[-] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 months ago

Yes, Loblaws, Sobeys and gang are gouging everyone.

But climate change is a big factor in rising food prices too.

Remember olive oil going up in price? Crop failure due to bad weather.

Orange juice? Disease due to climate change.

Coffee prices rising right now? Take a guess.

It's only beginning.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Orange juice? Disease due to climate change.

That's very recent.

A more historical look at orange production - particularly in Florida - shows it peaked in the early '00s at 250M boxes, then plunged to 12M boxes thanks to disease, hurricanes, and real estate development.

But the root reason is that orange surpluses were thinning profits. Drastic reduction in production pushed up unit prices without materially increasing costs.

Orange agribusiness is doing fine. It's the retail purchases who are eating shit

Remember olive oil going up in price? Crop failure due to bad weather.

The destruction of historical olive groves has been a major Israeli tool for displacing native Arab peoples.

This isn't just bad weather. It's manufactured poverty through ethnic cleansing.

We're seeing similar events in Central Africa, Ukraine, the Kashmir region of India, and now the US military campaign against Venezuelan fishermen.

[-] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Olive grove destruction in Palestine is a horrible part of the genocide. But not a factor in olive oil price rises in Canada. The stuff we see here is produced in Spain, Italy, Tunisia, Greece etc.

[-] CultuurMarxist@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

How bad do you guys have it over in Canada in terms of cost of living crisis?

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It’s not great.

The median mortgage payment is over 50% of the median income, which historically should be 30%. Houses are over 60%. But the numbers are getting better than their 2023 records highs.

Our biggest grocers were fixing bread prices for over a decade and were only given a slap in the wrist. People can ask for a $20 rebate.

Almost all of our grocery stores are owned by 3 companies (Loblaws, Metro, and Sobeys (made up of former Loblaws employees)). 3 companies own almost all our phone providers, so they gouge prices too.

You can really see a trend — we seem to concentrate all our industries into 3 or so companies and the competition bureau thinks that’s fine. Historically I think that’s because we were a colony and got too used to being exploited and having our wealth shipped off.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

Bread is distressingly expensive because of price fixing.

[-] baconmonsta@piefed.social 1 points 6 months ago

You don't have bakeries over there? Bread to me seems like one of the easiest things to self-produce

[-] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 6 points 6 months ago

I wrote out a longer response but decided to summarise it as: it's bad. Groceries are unaffordable, rent and mortgages in the cities are unaffordable and we don't have the public transport infrastructure to support everyone's commutes, utilities are overpriced. It's pretty rough rn even as someone who's household admittedly makes above average

[-] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 4 points 6 months ago

it's expensive here. Groceries are a crap shoot and if you have the ability to shop mom and pop then that's your best bet. Thankfully I live in Toronto near an area known as "little china" so I do all my grocery shopping there and I save an absolute ton. better quality food imo too.

Rent is a crap shoot pretty much every where in the country. you're not going to find US prices here at all. And if the place you do live is connected via a transit system to a major city then rent is going to be about the same as if you were actually living in said major city. so you're looking at paying well over $1200 a month for just about everything. anything below that? you're one lucky bastard.

Everything else is expensive because in Canada there's very little, if any, competition and that's by design. like 3 grocery chains, maybe 3 telecom providers that all provide phone, internet, and tv service so they all work together and adjusting their prices. The Canadian government is essentially in the pocket of these companies so you won't get competition at all as the government basically won't allow it.

It's been like this for a very long time. Canada is expensive, has always been expensive, and will continue to be expensive because the powers that be want it that way.

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I manage a produce department of an IGA, and for years I've had the freedom to order produce from cheaper third-parties to keep my prices low. I have always maintained a 99¢ /lb. to $1.99 /lb. maximum sale price on bulk apples, but just recently Sobeys (our parent company) forced our largest third-party supplier to become an "official ordering partner" and to match all of their costing or lose our business. Now those third-parties are pointless to order from unless I am shorted a bunch of produce from our warehouse. And my apples? $2.49 /lb. to $4.99 /lb., depending on the variety. An absolute fucking joke.

[-] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 12 points 6 months ago

We should have public run grocery chains. These companies are scum

[-] AbeilleVegane@beehaw.org 11 points 6 months ago

Seriously, we should do something as a society. We can't let two companies (there are others, but please) manage all the food distribution in the country, it's just terrible. Can't we pass some legislation or something?

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

Tough to boycott the lowest-price option in my area. :/

[-] Botanicals@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I'm genuinely curious: have you looked into co ops in your area? Some deliver!

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

The only ones I know of locally are those red-branded "Co-op" stores, but where I'm at they're all gas stations with only convenience stores so everything is 1.5-2x a grocery store. Google couldn't find me anything either.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Ugh, I feel this in the USA too. I went to get some groceries the other day - purposely "just picking up a few things." I live in an area where you have to bring your own bags, and I only brought two, so I was careful with my limits.

It was still sticker shock at the register, as my total was between $90-$100 USD. What the actual fuck.

I'm sorry you're all dealing with the same thing north of the border. I also understand if my comment isn't welcome in this community - I'll delete it if so. I just found the meme painfully relatable and wanted to commiserate.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

American's are still welcome to Canada, just leave the MAGA bullshit at the door. We're still sibling states. Even though our older brother is increasingly hateful and violent, you're still our brother. We're worried about you. We won't tolerate any of your abuse though.

[-] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

I love Canada, wish I could move there lol

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You're welcome. We are upset with the USA, not Americans.

[-] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

The Orange menace and his cult.

[-] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Let's be real, even if the dems come back into power that's not going to magically heal everything.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 2 points 6 months ago

Same hit in the UK, same hit in Germany.

(With the exception of LIDL, for some reason they understand how to keep prices down)

[-] chocrates@piefed.world 7 points 6 months ago

And it's not even gonna taste very good when make it.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Galen Weston needs another castle so sawdust bread for you!

[-] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

It's chewy but it's nutritious!

[-] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Which Canadian chain is better?

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

Giant Tiger probably

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 6 months ago

Someone in another Lemmy post suggested CSA (Community Supported Agriculture). In essence, you give farmers a down payment for a period of time and in exchange you get share of the harvest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture

I was looking at the prices and to get two seasons (Summer and Winter) of both produce and meat would cost $1,500ish a year. I would be pay about $125 a month. Which is less than the almost $200 a month, I pay.

It's definitely something I will be doing in the future.

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Man superstore bread used to be perfect but they changed something and now it doesn't have the extra fluffy inside and chewy crust but they change it back I won't care about the price(mostly)

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Sobeys isn't any better.

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

Meanwhile we still have people screaming about the Sunshine list in Ontario, because it stayed at $100,000 while inflation continued to rise. If it stayed true to purpose, it would be closer to $200,000 now.

[-] mountainbear49@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

That problem has a track record from even deeper than the 3-firm collusive oligopoly of distribution. In fact, in the 1970s the Government of Quebec unilaterally decreed criminal charges beyond arbitrary and Pareto-inefficient quota limits of production and sale by a centralist system of ‘licenses’, a result of colluding of the 1922-born Union des Cultivateurs Catholiques (UCC) of Quebec and the Government of Quebec. Under the guise of “management of supply”, those terrorists have made production and sale of agricultural products under Quebec law a criminal offence, and skyrocketed prices of daily basic human needs of food. Example, still in 2025, the Government of Quebec has threatened criminal charges, i.e. penalties, incarceration, and ultimately use of lethal force, on any production and sale of chicken beyond the 22 chicken production licenses total, 12 eggs production licenses total, $24 000 + per cow production licenses, and 3 slaughterhouses total, on the vast expanse of land more vast than Europe under military rule of the fascist racist capitalist selling-the-country(including-their-own-mother)-to-rich-foreigners ‘government’ of Quebec.

Ahh, the smell of food riots in the morning of the 2020’s. Does not seem to have changed much since the 19th century.

About that, a few recommended readings:

“The Conquest of Bread” - Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin “The Great Transformation: The Political and Economic Origins of Our Time” - Karl Polanyi “The Hidden Repression of the IMF” - Alex Gladstein “La Ferme Impossible” - Dominic Lamontagne “Mutual Aid: a Factor of Evolution” - Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin

In parallel, astute observers of economics and politics of Quebec and Canada have likely noted a similar problem about a similar unilateral decree of ‘licenses’ of production and sales. In opposition of the Canadian parliamentary federation unilateral decree law of 2017, by which cultivation of cannabis has legal standing up to 4 plants per household, the aforementioned government of Quebec has produced a racket of collusive monopoly, breaking entering and gunpoint robbing self-medication peasants, farmers, students, professors, moms, dads, aunties, uncles, etc. with one hand, and selling ‘licenses’ of prodcution and sales in highest-bidder-auction-even-if-you-sang-self-incrimination-about-’187’ing-cops-of-partner-nations-on-multi-million-sales-music-records with another hand.

“Oh, well just apply for a license!” => minimum investment required, a large production facility (e.g. warehouse), i.e. approx. $100k pre-application, then bribe a lottery type attribution system to actually get the Government of Quebec approval to grow therapeutic food plants, sell them, and if you produce more in contravention of the limits the Government approved of you (e.g. CannTrust), you just get a minor $ penalty, in comparison with the productive people producing outside of that dump of officepaperwork waste of natural resources.

In another parallel, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), from the comforts of offices in gomorrah Washington D.C., has an extensive record of lending active genociders trillions of US$ on conditions of ecocidal and inefficient mono-cultures very similar of the gunpoint-slave-labor plantations of the style of Charles Tait of the 1700s.

The bad parts of capitalism and centralist state communism, with scarce democracy in sight beyond words under attack from stacks of dirty paper and gold in shell-corporation hideouts of the style of Panama, Luxembourg, and Fort Knox, Texas.

Welcome to Canada Ey! Bonjour, Hi, and Bye!

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Anarchism yesterday, today, as long as needed. Of, for, by local people.

Replacing pigs in sties and maggots in rot.

Since the needs arose, until the needs subside and fade away.

For human rights, for health.

Peace.

Happy Farming :)

Sincerely,

One of numerous mountain bears.

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