The only thing I gatherings from these posts.
The right: We prefer a two party system.
The left: a vote for a third option weakens us in the battle against the right.
Centrists: I just want a third option that isn't democrats or republicans...
Me coming into the comments section:
Well, if youre a "centrist" like me, then you used that designation to try to get out of talking about politics with ass holes on both sides. And also i hate getting "prejudged" -everyone does- because i might like or dislike a certain politician. I am a centrist, truly, but I dont need to prove that to any of you. And this is what I mean when I say "both sides are the same" I mean you assholes harras, insult, degrade, tease, berate, and nearly threaten about how your side is "the good side" and the "otherside" equals the destruction of America. Yeah, well, both sides do that annoying shit. You want to tell me "there's no such thing as a centrist anymore" and that i am actually on the _________ side. Well f you, you dont get to tell me what side im on.
Maybe you just feel that since im not with you, that I must be against you? If that overly simple reasoning is where you are at, I dont think we should be friends anyway.
I dont want to be identified as red or blue, dem or repub. Honestly, im pretty conflict avoidant in general, and politics gets to be such nasty topic and can ruin family and friends. I see it happen more in the past few years than ever. Its really sad! And you know it too!
Can everyone please just put a sock in it for at least the rest of December? Can we all look for common ground and the things that we can share? Dont look at family through red or blue tinted glasses, but through the lens of love. Let's put our pride aside for a while and produce good times and love this holiday season.
Done :).
i think the "current far left" supports authoritarianism, so not the opposite, just different flavor of the same side.
That's because the political compass is two-dimensional, but everyone insists on thinking of it as a one-dimensional thing.
You've got left wing and then you've got right wing, and then in the vertical direction you've got authoritarianism and libertarianism. When people say far right and far left what they really mean is that the extreme edges horizontally and right at the top vertically. Think Castro, and not Gandhi. Both were left wing but are nowhere near each other in political phasespace
Even the 2 dimensional compass is a simplification, though orders of magnitude better than the binary "left or right" simplification, and also better than the 2 dimensional gradient as well.
Isn't it just left & right ?
Far [insert preferred political allegiance] simply means extremist, usually unwilling to compromise. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your personal political opinions, but generally speaking an inability to reach a compromise is not a desirable trait regardless of your political leanings.
As a saying goes, perfect is the enemy of good. We don't want people refusing to embrace more libertarian policies simply because they don't get everything that they want. Progress is achieved by steadily grinding away at the norm, not by having a big explosive change all at once. That's what communists want.
How about we stop pretending that the left doesn't have its own share of emotionally damaged asshats and try to pick leadership that solves problems instead of pandering to one side or the other?
Who's pretending ?
tankies are probably the worst presentation of the "left"
From a Canadian instance, really? This shit is so frustrating to see. The whole two party nonsense that this bullshit pushes is exactly why the usa is in the mess they are in now.
No, people don't have to "pick a side" the ones who think in terms of teams are our enemy.
The problem is not there are two sides. The problem is that there is only one side with 2 parties with the rest left unrepresented.
The reason it is like that is that over many years the us system pushed the teamification of politics and enshrined only two parties in law. This was inevitable with only two parties, and should be a lesson to all other nations on the dangers of two party systems. The "us vs them" tricks of control are very easy when there is only two parties. It is poison to any democracy as no one is represented by ether "side" but everyone is sorted into a side and convinced the only way to fix anything is by having your side win (but of course there is no insensitive for ether party to actually fix anything, often the opposite).
The us has been trained (and sadly a lot of the world) that coalition rule is bad, even when its the only real way to have any sort of representation or guard rails in government. And you are right no one is represented now due to years and years of only two options that both know they are built into the systems of government so deep that their removal would require a new nation. After all this time there is no longer meaningful representation, but there is convenient scapegoats and excuses in pointing at the other side, so people in the us still think they live in a democratic system.
Advanced strawman. Opposing fascism isn't far left. It's just not-right.
the strawman further polarizes me away from your perspective. if i didn't know better I would say you're trying to make things worse.
Opposing fascism isn’t far left. That’s just being a decent person.
This meme is made by a leftist, and that community does have an issue with the same "if you don't explicitly agree with everything we say, you are other and therefore evil" attitude that the MAGA crowd has.
Thank God a brave centrist was willing to come here to criticize the left and defend the right to protect us from evil socialist extremism.
Please, oh holy enlightened central one, tell us the errors of our thinking. Is it our sins of universal healthcare, anti-genocide, and equal rights for all?
Please, oh please, do sermon us on the benefits of the right like unregulated capitalism, environmental destruction, and thought policing
Is a shitty attitude a defining point of being a leftist? Because that's the only thing I'm criticizing here. Everything else is just you making up things to be mad about.
So when you get rightfully criticized, your response is to cry that all of your criticisms are made up and that everyone besides you is wrong and has a bad attitude
If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole instead. But having that epiphany would involve you dropping that iconic "better than you" smugness that centrists love so much and giving a fuck about other people instead
What part of your comment was "legit criticism"? All you did was assume I'm a centrist and go off with a bunch of sarcasm based on that.
If you were trying to say that the the way some leftists attack everyone for everything is justified or necessary in some way, you should have tried making that point without adding in assumptions and sarcasm.
if you don’t explicitly agree with everything we say, you are other and therefore evil
"Vote Blue No Matter Who"
(Except Mamdani)
Opposing fascism is illegal, and centrists have a fetish for Law And Order. That shoves a lot of people leftward by default.
Centrists are actually with maga, they just don't wear the hat. See Fetterman, Schumer, Jeffries, etc
Counterargument: Centrists are actually a diverse group with many very different positions, that just have in common the fact they don't agree with either of the currently dominant political factions.
Aggressive reposte: what you just did (political stereotyping, where you label everyone who disagrees with you as basically being the same cartoon villain) is, in my experience, an example the left-wing bigotry that drives centrists away from your political faction. Disagreeing with your doesn't mean that I agree with the hateful morons on the right, it just means I also see and won't tolerate your bigotry.
Counter-counterargument: Centrists are actually a diverse group with many very different positions, but they all end up supporting fascism by staying inactive. I don't think you're evil for not picking a side, I think you're short-sighted for assuming "staying out of it" is possible and preferable to fighting for change. Winner-take-all, first-past-the-post elections will always result in a two-party system, if you want to change that without literally burning it all to the ground, you have to do it from within the system. You can still be a centrist, just try to take the context of the whole political structure into consideration when you vote. You can say you don't tolerate bigotry, but your actions (or rather, lack of actions) make you a liar.
So hating a hateful ideology and people who hold that ideology is bigotry. Damn, you need to see a chiropractor, you just twisted yourself in knots for that poor argument.
No, the bigotry is lumping all centrists, who have a diversity of views, in with the hateful ideology, despite having zero information about what they actually believe.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice. - Martin Luther King Jr.
Most centrists I have interacted with have the same thought, I don't care as long as I'm not affected by it. As long as the sense of order is maintained they will let babies starve, houses burn, and deforest our planet to maintain that stability. So you must excuse those of us on the left who have interacted with people more conservative to us for so long. We're tired of the bullshit and we're not going to let you live it down anymore. I have heard people talk about how centrists/moderates, whatever term you use to describe them, are the swing voters. From my personal experience in the USA with the moderate, the moderate fucking sucks.
If the moderate is who truly votes in presidents then they have failed us multiple times now with Trump. Thoroughly, absolutely. I don't know how you can live a life seeing the horrors perpetuated for money and power to still think our system okay. If you're not swayed by the plight of the fact we can feed everyone on the Earth, we just cannot satisfy the gluttony of the wealthy to do so. Of maintaining order while a group of people who had no choice in their birth are subjugated, beaten, rounded up and jailed just for existing, and lynched for existing. If you look at everything wrong in this world and aren't galvanized away from moderation and right wing politics, then you're lost.
I'll summarize something I said before:
Democrats will hurt you for money, but Republicans will pay for the privilege. Both parties subservient to capital but there are still meaningful distinctions. Change must come from the bottom.
Far left citizens may oppose fascism but their leaders aren't doing a good job of it. America needs a better left wing party.
your right because there is none
People thinking the Dems are left. They're left of the GQP, they're not left of the spectrum, far from it. The neoliberal is as much not your friend as the fascist is.
Yeah, both are too loud and impeding the centrist ability to go back to Brunch lmao
Brunch: May or may not include stuffing their own pockets
Yet another poorly made fallacy meme. Is there a bot just crapping out this same template every few days?
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