For some reason society decided that it was not ok to sell sexual acts. However, if you film yourself doing it, it's allowed. 🤷
I feel bad for the girls who are exploited or felt like they didn't have a choice. Those East European or South East Asian countries.
I know this is probably not a popular take on porn, but I can't wait for AI porn. It's not exactly guilt free since the model uses real exploited girls, but at least it's taking the current data and remixing it into new content.
Same as any purely pleasurable outlet: great in moderation, terrible when one can’t self regulate. I find it easy to avoid rape-y, tween, unrealistic porn in which I don’t find any sexual gratification. There’s plenty of small creators out there that produce wholesome sexual content.
alot of the non-ph sites(more obscure) have "pirated" OF content amateur and old PH videos.
*a lot.
there are forums that deal with porn-induced ED, mostly with medical forums though. some people are seriously addicted to it, in various stages.
It exists, and 99% of it is made for men
Edit: even (especially) the lesbian porn 😤
Possibly an underestimation, need more significant digits.
Very positively as a concept, and negatively as an industry.
Porn shapes my sexual identity more than I'd like, but that's just the way it is for most people in my life situation. I think I'm a more discerning consumer of most forms of media than others. I hear people talk, in an often-justifiable panic, about how music streaming is changing music listening habits and therefore music. And it's perplexing to me that people seriously have streaming algorithms as their primary way of music discovery, that they don't prefer something more manual. I feel the same way about porn, it's a surprise to me that so many people just accept whatever's on PornHub's front page. To that end, when people say their sexual identity is "shaped by porn" I think people are generally thinking they're into really brutal maledom, raceplay, and incest play. The former two are absolute turnoffs to me, and the latter is something I'm okay with when it's a part of something I'd actively look for. But I'm like...would I know I'm a bisexual without porn? Would I know I wanted to be a femboy which is why I lost a lot of weight? And I know I wouldn't know that I'm into something like gentle femdom or lactation.
I basically only seek out amateur stuff. In a vacuum I like the idea of paying for porn, but I worry about where it's really going; in theory OnlyFans is better but I know that isn't completely clean either, neither are porn companies claiming to be ethical. And I dislike that OF models sometimes exacerbate the parasocial nature of it for profit. If I buy porn, I don't want the vendor pretending it's anything more than me buying a good, but that sells.
I largely believe the current panic about porn addiction to be overblown, and an attempt to exploit male insecurity to get them to vote right wing. I don't outright believe it doesn't exist, but it's in the same sense video games are addictive, not the way crack cocaine is addictive. It's known that the people who report porn addiction often don't actually watch an above average amount, they just have the most shame. I do, however, believe you should be able to masturbate without porn, and that relying on porn over an active sexual imagination is a problem.
I could at least see the logic behind a ban on paid, live-action porn, but anti-porn groups generally include hentai in their bans, so I'm certain it's the same logic as violent video game bans.
I prefer hentai/rule34 but real porn can be fine too. I know that not all porn industries are bad but I do know that there are, or at least were, some really bad ones. Also, I'm mostly into tentacle hentai and live action tentacle hentai is usually absolutely terrible.
There are a lot of issues with the industry surrounding pornography (most of which would be fixed by sex workers being able to unionise), but the entertainment itself is morally neutral.
Whatever someone wants to do with their body is up to them (within legal limits)
To the people who say "she's selling her body", I say this:
So are you. So am I. So is everybody. A miner or oil rigger is selling their body to be used as labour for 10 hours a day.
An accountant is selling their body to sit at a desk and crunch numbers for ten hours a day.
We're all selling our bodies to corporations every day in exchange for a paycheque. If a person is comfortable using nudity for it, more power to 'em.
Spot on.
Fair point
Aroused, usually ...
You freak!
Not a fan. It's boring, repetitive, and aimed at the fantasies of very immature and self-centered men.
That said, if produced by consenting adults, I see little need for censorship.
There's basically no ethical porn. Even under capitalism. Especially under capitalism.
However, I like porn.
There are varying degrees of ethical infringements, as morality is not simply binary.
As... Who I am... I have always found finding porn made for me to be difficult. But, I think that process is important, as it helps you be honest with finding who you are and what you like. I think guilt, shame, and fear are incredibly sad. And while life is full of varying things to do, missing out on one's own sexuality and possibilities of finding bliss and happiness in your sexual prime is an egregiously evil effect of prudism and puritanism. There's definitely more to life than sexual activities, but.... They're also extremely social, fun, good for you, and critically core to fulfillment and growth in so many ways.
I suppose I don't enjoy porn as much as I used to. At least I don't consume it as much as I used to. And that's not for lack of wanting, it's just most porn today sucks ass and I would much rather be doing than watching all the popular boring stuff. It's almost like fomo. Not always, but sometimes you want to DO, not watch, yeah?
Like maybe once you start doing really freaky stuff in real life, your standards go up for stimulation. But at the same time, maybe I have a much better idea what I like and most porn is catering to different people.
Yeah I dunno. It's just porn. Celebrate being alive as best you can. And don't hurt other people unless there's consent >:)
There’s basically no ethical porn. Even under capitalism. Especially under capitalism.
I don't disagree that the industry is pretty awful in places, but what does this mean? Do you think maybe this is a bit hyperbolic or puritanical?
Hyperbolic in terms of this, consenting adults have been trading, sharing and showing off for each other for a very long time, it happened before the internet and now it's happening all around you without any money changing hands. Sure there are things like Onlyfans where you could make the argument that the performer is being exploited for their body... but, if you set aside whatever social pearl-clutching we've been trained to frame around sexual activity and nudity, how is it any different than wearing your knees down for a company by doing deliveries every day? How is it different than juggling or doing magic tricks at a tourist trap for donations? Yes, you could say it's all unethical in a capitalistic society, but that's not the same as singling out porn just because that one deals with "naughty" stuff.
Which is what makes that statement puritanical as well. You're viewing porn as exploitation of sexuality, like sexuality should be on this pedestal that makes it different somehow than the thousand other ways we sell our bodies, our time, our dignity to survive, as we've been doing for tens of thousands of years.
It’s just porn
I agree, and the more "special" we make it, the worse the problems will be around it. Can you imagine the paradise we would live in if nobody had sexual worries and insecurities and hangups? And think that this belays that maybe you don't have an ethical framework around porn as much as a personal ambivalence. Which is fine, I just felt the need to dissect the whole statement a little.
Idk, if some 22 year old woman has an OF and happily posts to it because she wants to, I dont see how thats unethical.
As long as it's legal, live and let live, imo. Life is too short.
Though I also encourage people to not rely on it as their only outlet for being horny. It creates unrealistic expectations around nudity and sex, which is irritating in certain scenarios.
It's extremely apparent when someone thinks nude beaches are for sex because they've watched a shitload of porn and start acting out. Everyone else is talking with friends, reading books, or getting some sun.
If you want to do voyeurism, go to your local kink events, there's plenty of them through FetLife.
I know for myself, I have a bit of a mental barrier of separation between what I find kinky in fictional media, and what I would ever expect of real people. I fear for people that break that barrier, failing to understand the ways fiction goes outside of reality.
Of course, there’s rare cases where people somehow match porn - it’s probably best to let those be a surprise, not something you seek.
I'm a fan of the product, but hate a lot of aspects of how it's made.
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Actors have so much stigmatism to deal with just to work.
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People are abused far too frequently and lack a lot of protections that they should have.
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i fucking loathe only fans. It's added a brand new breed of spammers dropping shitty strip teases full of links onto any amateur porn site, normally completely unrelated to whatever place they're posting. If I'm looking at the tinytits sub, your giant tiddy goth gf post is not going to make me send you $5.

Good job
About 10 years ago or so I got really into porn. There was a group of girls I found and really liked. I thought, they were getting paid and doing it of their own free will. No harm. Over the years I saw the outcomes many of them came to. Some died, some became addicts, none seemed ok. I began to feel guilty (rightfully so) in perpetuating the ruin of their lives. I swore it off entirely. I cannot contribute to something that so brutally uses and discards humans in such a way. I'm sorry I ever did and I regret it very much.
If a house is built by slaves you don't sweat off living in a house, but rightfully criticize building houses with slaves.
When people find unethical porn they criticize porn.
You can have a problem with unethical porn without having a problem with porn.
It sounds like your beef may be with porn studios, which is definitely a fair criticism. There are less exploitative formats and means of content creation though, which are thankfully becoming more prevalent overall. Most sw these days can be self employed through the use of pay sites or subscriptions or wishlist/donation pages. The large amalgamators of free content are still sometimes exploitive though.
Sex work is work.
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I don't consume much traditional porn but I do read a lot of erotica and look at a lot of hentai and yiff. I usually masturbate at least once a day, usually right before bed ao I can fall asleep easier and sometimes in the mornings to get me out of bed. Sounds weird but super depressed and I know that when I just can't find a reason to get out of bed if I can get myself to masturbate it usually leaves me in a more active state, not necessarily better but able to start soing stuff. Consumed a lot of real porn when I was a teenager. Only had sex a few times, a few men and a couple women and it's probably just me but porn never set unrealistic standards for sex for me. The only real porn I watch nowadays is basically homemade redgifs clips posted in a butt stuffing discord im in. I feel like I have a harder time masturbating to my imagination nowadays, but I'm also masturbating a lot more than I used too and am also on brain meds so hard to tell if that's an affect of porn overconsumption or not.
I've made some porn, I have over 100k views on redgifs, really blew my mind cause it's about as amateur as it gets. Was really nice to feel attractive, desireable even. Wouldn't have minded doing it for a living but I doubt I could have made real money and I can't wnjoy anal that much anymore anyway. Plus I think it would have been hard to keep it fresh, and I wouldn't like to show my face ao that would have limited me quite a bit.
I wouldn't call myself addicted to porn, more like I self medicate with masturbation and the types of porn I consume (erotica, hentai, yiff) are a tool for that. It might be a problem if I had a partner, masturbating too frequently makes it harder to get aroused and cum, but I don't date cause I'd be a terrible worthless partner, so it's not a problem.
So you're a gooner.
Idfk, whatever
I was raised religious, and fell for the whole "porn makes you unable to form real, properly attached bonds with another human" thing. Then I started reading the scientific background of that stuff, and - while you definitely can damage your ability to form strong relationships with porn (or just about anything else) - that made me far more porn positive.
Maybe this is just me, but I actually watched/looked at far more porn when I felt deeply ashamed of doing so. Now that I'm OK with it, and it just feels normal, it's comparable to a tool I have access to.
thats why the wierd religious puritan types are the freakiest when it comes to porn and they might even seek out the illicit ones like cp and beastiality, they delve into deviant content. aside from getting addicted to it, or porn-ED probably need some help if a user has tried abstaining from jerking off to it.
I totally agree with the tools angle.
I think given a choice, most people don’t want to be filming it. And from what I’ve heard of the industry, it’s definitely more manipulative than Hollywood. Thats before we talk about independent producers who basically copy/pasted the YouTube influencer industry and its positive/negative effects.
And it should be protected by freedom of speech laws.
I feel like 95% of it is tied to exploitation capitalism and is indistinguishable from military job offers. Nobody is taking the job unless it’s the only option.
I wouldn’t say nobody, some people have exhibition kinks, but yeah it’s definitely exploitative far more often than it would ideally be.
I’d also argue the military is a similar situation. I know people who got into the US naval academy and absolutely had other options.
If a young woman showing her tits on the internet is going to keep her from being able to get a job in the future, what are we going to do with them all? It's a lot of people.
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