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"Every time Trump or members of his administration have lashed out at Europe, including Ukraine, Europeans have absorbed the blow with a forced smile and bent over backwards to flatter the White House." (...)

"While a systemic answer to Europe’s security conundrum is not in sight, Europeans do have the levers to prevent Ukraine’s capitulation and create the conditions for a just peace."

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[-] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I've said this before, but please read American Kompromat by Craig Unger. It details the string of circumstantial evidence that Trump has been a Russian asset since 1986 at least.

[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

CNN Portugal tonight was already distorting the current situation, claiming that Costa's recent statements about Europeans not being subject to US interference were due to Trump saying that Europe would collapse civilizationally in 20 years because of its immigration policies, which is false or at least not the whole truth. Costa said what he said because the USA now considers the dismantling of the EU and support for Eurosceptic parties a priority in its defense strategy.

Europe, betrayed, is under attack.

[-] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

I would also like to point out that Europe's migrant crisis is largely a result of ISIS and Iraq. Guess who helped cause that clusterfuck? The same country which endless meddled in South America, which has resulted in a lot of migration to said country.

But hey, the US has always been good at sniffing its own farts and avoiding history books. What else is new?

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[-] Packet@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Trump, the most USian man doing most USian things, is russian. Because only Russians can be evil!

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Leave it to the .ml to rush to Russia's defense because the Kremlin can do no wrong. Sad.

[-] Packet@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Leave it to a lib to rush to US defense because Washington can do no wrong

They're both doing lots of wrong though...

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[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

Go away, russian troll. You are not welcome here.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

TIL about Craig Unger goodreads has some nice reviews:

"One of the things I found valuable about House of Trump, House of Putin is that Unger makes clear—if such a thing can be made clear—what a strange, amorphous organism Russian/Ukrainian organized crime can be: equal parts legitimate business and human trafficking, government influence and illegal money laundering, threats of blackmail whispered in darkness and bold murder on the daytime streets."

I think many (should) know most of the story though. But like you say it's circumstancial. You know what I've been thinking lately; what if it was FSB who ordered to off Epstein, afraid he might blow the whistle on this scandals? Wouldn't be entirely wild anymore.

[-] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My bet is it was Trump himself who ordered Epstein to be killed. In the mid-November email leak, Epstein talked about having a "silver bullet" that could take down Trump. Nine months later, dude was dead.

Could be FSB though. We might never know.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

We might never know

It's the interests of US democracy and western democracies to find out though. I hope someone like a journalist finds out. Trump must go.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Trump has been a Russian asset since 1986 at least.

Why have the US intelligence agencies done nothing? At least Trump is a double agent, or tripple.

There must be a story of complicated alliances of which we know almost nothing. I am just sure that American billionaires have not handed over the keys to the US to Russia.

[-] Goldholz 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

FESTUNG EUROPA! FESTUNG DEMOKRATIE UND FREIHEIT!

We shall become the arsenal of democracy!

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

arsenal of democracy

And a democracy with arsenals.

[-] Goldholz 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Democratic arsenal

Arsenal Democracy

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[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago

We are not alone, we have 26 others. That's what the EU is. Not being alone, but being stronger, together.

[-] Aliktren@lemmy.world 100 points 5 days ago

They arent alone, eu, uk, the nordics. canada, australia, japan, taiwan, and a bunch of other nations all have common cause

[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 53 points 5 days ago

And even the EU alone does not need to hide from the US. Including the other countries shifts it even more.

It is the US that is becoming more and more alone, especially if we finally do our homework and realise our potential.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They arent alone

Yes agreed , it's been imo dramatically portrayed as we have been overly dependant on the US to take the lead after WWII. They were able to cut through most internal divisions, and now its enterily up to us.

Time to feel more confident and step out in the World, not as post-WWII Europe or an infant sucking at anyone's tits, but as self conscious and aware Union with it's own character, values and way of life.

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[-] liking625@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

did anyone think we could rely on a treacherous country such as the US?

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 29 points 5 days ago

European fascists aren't alone, though, and that's the issue.

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[-] Ooops@feddit.org 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No, "they" are not alone because those "Europeans" discussed here are not on Europe's side but exclusively their own.

Just like the <1% everywhere else they will simply throw the population under the bus to be on the authoritarians good side as one of them.

Are we -the European populations- alone? Yes, very much so. But that's okay because propaganda-induced brain-damage is for a long time preventing us from even recognizing reality. So we will happily keep voting people into power that are only there to enrich themselves and their buddies while blaming imaginary scape goats... immigrants in most cases still, then LGBTQ+ -as we can see in those countries without relevant immigration already-, probably followed by everyone with another political opinion (if history is any indication), then intellectuals in general because people still thinking on their own -even if they keep quiet- are a risk. And once we reached the "random people have to be the scape goat today"-stage they will all cry out and ask how it could have come that far.

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[-] tuskyo@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think we're gonna have another situation like WW2 where Europeans are caught with their pants down and it takes them awhile to realize the gravity of the situation.

I feel bad for all the poor people caught in the crossfire. The rich people will be safe, of course.

[-] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

Another situation where a dictator believes his own propaganda, thinks European democracies and their citizens are weak and decadent, only to come to the belated conclusion that people are people, that people can become monstrous when faced with any kind of hardship, and you really shouldn't underestimate the descendants of people who collectively killed millions upon millions.

It would be funny if the entirely predictable result wasn't unimaginable suffering.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

Does the US realise Europe is farkin massive group of countries and they're a rapidly diminishing batshit fiefdom of suck?

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