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Due to the large number of reports we've received about recent posts, we've added Rule 7 stating "No low-effort posts. This is subjective and will largely be determined by the community member reports."

In general, we allow a post's fate to be determined by the amount of downvotes it receives. Sometimes, a post is so offensive to the community that removal seems appropriate. This new rule now allows such action to be taken.

We expect to fine-tune this approach as time goes on. Your patience is appreciated.

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[-] brownmustardminion@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 month ago

This is fine if the post is something insanely low effort.

But I do worry if this ends up being too aggressive.

One of the things that made reddit so awful is how over moderated it was.

I don't really take issue with dozens of posts by newbies asking the same basic question over and over. I used to be one and am occasionally back there again if I start a new hobby. Hopefully newcomers don't get pushed off by overly sensitive moderation.

It would be helpful if you could provide a hypothetical example of what is considered a "low effort" post.

[-] pineapple@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

I don’t really take issue with dozens of posts by newbies asking the same basic question over and over. I used to be one and am occasionally back there again if I start a new hobby. Hopefully newcomers don’t get pushed off by overly sensitive moderation.

I'm not sure if I agree with this, unless you need clarification on something specific the forum like nature and search should allow you to find answers to previous questions without asking it again.

But I do agree overmoderation is bad. I swear if communities start implementing a karma system...

[-] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

I couldn't agree more, I join selfhosting communities all over and not just because I need more stuff to host, because of the community. I love getting to read through the questions and answers, even when they are questions that could be answered by just reading the man page... Maybe it just reminds me of the good old days as I'm getting older and remember asking a lot of similar questions.

[-] infeeeee@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've seen slightly offtopic posts deleted here, even after some interesting conversation in the comments. I think Lemmy is small, and it could help the platform if conversations and posts are preserved even if they are not 100% on topic. But I respect the work of mods, it's their decision how they run a community, even if I don't agree with them all time.

But just as a backup, if things take an unexpected turn, here are some similar, but much less active communities:

This is also to the "low effort" posters, if you disagree with your post's removal you can post it to other similar communities.

[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 15 points 1 month ago

I've posted here and had it deleted. So I don't bother.
The instance I'm a member of had an unused selfhosting comm, and I started using it. Other people did too. Thanks for the shout out.

[-] trilobite@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing the other communities. I have used this forum a lot and there are some great helpers here. I really hope things don't get a bad turn. We really need these forums to help newbies. We've all been there. You could argue that the typical newbie question "where do i start?" Is "low effort" but simply reading all the answers about how others approched self hosting has given me so much benefit.

[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 35 points 1 month ago

Does this include Youtube videos? Or at least Youtube videos without a clear description and summary?

Those constant ad money farming posts really lower the quality of this sub.

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Seems there are 2 kinds - video links with almost no text, just farming visits, and video links with a wall of text.

Both suck. Videos, in general, suck.

So much of what goes on here needs text, lots of it. Video is slow and cumbersome.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I hate when I see a cool title and then it links to a video. I want text so that I can read what I find relevant. It is like looking up recipe, a lot of the time there is a wall of text about their childhood before the actual recipie.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

If the quality of the video is good, I like to see it here.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

At minimum there should be a good description of what the video is about, with no clickbait.

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 month ago

The problem is they are almost never good, as everyone can read the same info 4x faster than someone can present it (best case), and 10x faster isn't unusual.

Source: Former technical trainer - I've read a lot about instructional methodologies. Video is the lowest common denominator that's all. It can be useful for things that have a visual component, and self hosting has very little of that.

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

But how would you know before watching?

"Based on the upvotes and comments" Oh then others doing the work to watch it and rate it on lemmy for you.

Imo, when a link to a video or forum or whatever is posted, then at least a summery or a discussion should be included.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

That is what Lemmy is for. Sometimes you will take the risk and watch the video and comment, if it interests you more.

Other times you'll let others do it for you, or skim over it if it interests you less.

That's how I use Lemmy anyway.

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Most ppl seem to agree with me.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago
[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

It seems, the majority does not want it.

If ppl do not like it they can use another selfhosted from another instance. Thats what lemmy or the fediverse is build for.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do not want what?/I'm not sure what you're talking about?

I was just saying it is fine to browse Lemmy reading comments to find out what a video is about, not that we should have low effort video posts.

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

The discussion is about low effort Link only Video and or others Posts. If you are not reffering to them then you missed the point.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

Yes. Posting a fucking link to a yt video is low effort

[-] monkeyman512@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I can understand the potential problems of trying to define "low-effort post". In contrast can guidelines be given for a "quality post". If no guidance on either end is given it may discourage some people from posting anything. Maybe people can contribute what they see as indications of a "quality post".

[-] rearview@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

Seems okay-ish if it removes all the AI slop and spam quickly. The mods already have the technical power to dictate things, so this rule change just make their actions tie more closely to their management reputation

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Wait, is this about the posts from melonhusk@sh.itjust.works? We don't need a new rule for that, they were spamming.

Edit: I am also concerned that there are no mod responses so far. Seems like this is a proclamation, not a discussion.

[-] Wolf314159@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago

Self-hosting is inherently not low effort. This isn't memes or shitposts. This is people helping people that are trying to help themselves, a.k.a. people making an effort. Communities rely on the discretion of mods and rules specific to the community focus. If this community didn't have some kind of bar to meet for low effort posts it would drive away participants and contributors more interested in higher effort and more interesting topics. It gets real old seeing people ask and answer the same basic questions about Plex, Jellyfin, *arrs, and docker all the time. Worrying about if this rule will be abused seems premature. Besides (as others have pointed out) there are other communities with similar interests, if you're that concerned that your spammy no-context YouTube video got deleted, please go try your luck elsewhere.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

Some people do post memes. And it destroys the community, causing people to unsubscribe.

This rule will protect the community in the long run.

If you want to shitpost, create a separate "selfhostedshitpostandmemes" comm.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 weeks ago

So it's like wanting a rtfm filter?

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

Fucking thank you!

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 weeks ago

How much effort went into the OP? "Low"? Gotta love that irony.

Wouldn't that rule drive more verbose drivel noise to evade appearing low effort?

Sometimes low effort's all that's called for. Methinks this is not the correct criteria found yet. Patiently awaiting the search for remedy to apparently continue.

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