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[-] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Russian Army is now the second best army in 2 countries. Ukraine and Russia.

[-] hanse_mina@nafo.uk 6 points 1 year ago

@Noxvento @lenux12343 Soon to be the 2nd best army in Moscow.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Belarussian opposition seems to be rallying to take advantage of the chaos in Russia, but it is unclear if and how this will manifest.

https://nitter.nl/officejjsmart/status/1672535110791340033?s=12&t=xSYLnqsRVgAIYtAQOgKFIA

Machine-translated dubbed version of the video in the link

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The rats are leaving

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago
[-] agarorn@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Sad. Would be nice if all of Putins Allies fall apart.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

New statement by Prigo in reaction to Putin:

https://nitter.nl/wartranslated/status/1672536701997072384

❗️Prigozhin audio message 10:19AM BST - "no one will surrender to the demands of the President":

"Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.

When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.

When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow."

Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.

Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.

Audio: t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3812

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

First I'm seeing him directly call out Putin, albeit a fairly tame call-out.

[-] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

At least 3 killed as Russian An-24 crashed (was shot down) near Kantemirovka of Voronezh region

https://t.me/bazabazon/18858

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Incoming reports of Wagner Group soldiers leaving their missions in Africa and Syria to join the military coup in Russia against Putin.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

BELARUS 🇧🇾 REBELLION

Belarussian soldiers, who are supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦, have called on Belarussian citizens to unite behind what is transpiring with Wagner, to liberate Belarus of Russia 🇷🇺.

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672535110791340033?t=LMbSF53EahGEwmbqhNez4A&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

getting reports of heavy aircraft leaving rostov, this means they do not intend to hold the airport and are evacuating everything. thats a wagner win without a fight

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Putin must wish he'd never invaded Ukraine. He had it so good before that total miscalculation.

Thanks for posting these updates.

[-] arefx@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Woke up in the middle of the night to fail the three day poop challenge and see this news at 3:30am. I wonder what the ripple effects will be.

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

New challenge: don't poop until Wagner gets to the Kremlin.

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Putin makes televised national address. Summary of speech:

TL;DR - Wagner is committing a betrayal, a stab in the back like 1917, and will face "inevitable punishment".

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

So any remaining conspiracy thoughts of this being orchestrated by Putin as an awkward "out" are clearly gone. Also, this will more clearly set up direct armed confrontation between Wagner and the Russian armed forces. It's probably not that hard to get some of the regulars riled up against Shoigu and the MoD, but now Wagner has to convince them to go against Putin.

[-] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Listening to their intercepted phone calls, it seems like they mostly hate Putin for sending them to Ukraine.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

While I agree there will be a lot that hate Putin like that, I think the intercepted phone calls are too anecdotal to get a reliable picture of the loyalties within the military.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Girkin now seemingly pointing out that Prigozhin has de-facto won:

https://nitter.nl/pic/orig/media%2FFzaIoo2aQAAbQsC.jpg

I have to admit with great bitterness that the Russian Federation is one step closer to its final and irrevocable demise.

As of today, the Russian Federation has two presidents - the real president, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, and Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the acting president to serve his term. The main purpose of the acting president is to periodically address the real president, kneeling down, with the question: "What do you want, Yevgeny Viktorovich?"

Never, even in my worst nightmare, I couldn't imagine that I would see this shame and destruction of my country.

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

TikTok Kadyrov's Akhmat 'special forces' battalion has been tasked to stop Prigozhin from reaching Moscow.

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Time to see once and for all whether the bastards are good for anything other than TikTok videos.

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[-] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm thirsty for Ukraine military gains. I imagine causing more pressure and chaos would work in their favor

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Prigozhin says half of the Russian army is ready to join him.

[-] agarorn@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Wtf?!?! Are there any non Russian sources?

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Remember 97% of the Russian army is fighting in Ukraine right now, according to U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace.

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Footage of Prigozhin in Rostov, pictured with Deputy Minister of Defense, Colonel General Yunus-Bek Yevkurov (at left, from 0:13 on) — see the latter's official portrait photo for reference; looks like a match.

edit: and Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alekseyev, deputy chief of GRU military intelligence 1

Partial translation summary: Wagner issues orders to MoD commanders it has captured; will "blockade Rostov and go to [ed: towards?] Moscow until we get the Chief of the General Staff and Shoigu" 2, 3

  • Machine translation here. Highlight: Lt. Gen. Alekseyev tells Prigozhin, "the biggest thing that upsets me is... I hear there's a party in Kyiv. With champagne"

https://nitter.net/Tendar/status/1672463623078158337#m

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Footage allegedly showing Wagner column led by (*T-80BV) tank and BMP entering Rostov-na-Donu, bypassing roadblock and RosGvardia troops.

https://nitter.net/igorsushko/status/1672423351418232832#m

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

BREAKING AGAIN 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 AND AGAIN NEW PRIGOZHIN AUDIO

"Wagner shot down a Russian helicopter, which opened fire on the column" - Prigozhin

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672405889523785728?t=BWL1yHcvAS91Hivhgsf3GQ&s=19

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Rostov-based telegram channel says that the administration building, headquarters of the southern military districts and a police department (among other things) are cordoned off by unknown armed people in the city

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672431054328676353?t=KBMFFmT0VkpxzsDF0G_UkA&s=19

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Three hour analysis livestream from Vlad Vexler, started when the situation began to escalate. Not a live news thing, but an analysis from his perspective as it manifested.

[-] FanfictionConsort@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I don't want to jump the gun, this could easily be Russian misinformation and logic dictates that I should treat it as such until we've got a hard confirmation, but PLEASE let this be real. Wagner and Russia engaging in infighting now would be absolutely perfect. I want the counteroffensive to have every edge it can get, and this would be one hell of an edge.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Any info on the fighting in Volgograd?

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

No evidence as to whether this is actually occurring, or just an information space PsyOp, but Prigozhin claims that Gerasimov "gave an order for planes to bomb moving Wagner columns", killing civilians, and that some pilots refused to obey orders.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672387845749702658?cxt=HHwWhIC8idL4wbUuAAAA

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

FSB offices are being evacuated in Voronezh and Lipetsk regions. They are on Prigozhin's path to Moscow from Rostov.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672435559011328000?t=gHviVk_oxk6hIHYC1Kt7xg&s=19

[-] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oil depot on fire in Voronezh

https://t.me/vrn01/11809

[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

JUST IN: Mayor of Moscow says that "anti-terrorist measures" are being taken to reinforce security in the city - TASS

[-] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Footage allegedly showing Wagner tanks surrounding the Defence Ministry building in Rostov-na-Donu

And unidentified infantry (claimed to be Wagner, but indeterminate) occupying the building

[-] SpaceIsReal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

More videos from the Southern Military District HQ. The Telegram channel says there are soldiers in the building and there are up to 300 Wagner fighters in Rostov. Some of the vehicles are military police.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672444417083416578

(Maybe the most impressive videos I've seen from today so far)

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If twitter is to be believed, this was posted to Pringle's Telegram channel (machine-translated):

https://i.imgur.com/wq8cnuF.jpg

So the press release by Lukashenko might be smoke and mirrors or a genuine misunderstanding

EDIT: Might well be bullshit, BBC currently reporting Prigozhin has confirmed a deal has taken place

EDIT2: Now also more clearly confirmed with quote by Prigozhin - https://nitter.nl/maxseddon/status/1672657882117013504

Right now the moment has come when blood could be spilled. Therefore, understanding all the responsibility for the fact that Russian blood will be spilled on one side, we are turning our convoy around and going back to our basecamps, according to the plan.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does someone have a link to Prigozhin's actual outlets? All of this is pretty indirect and suspect as a result. (In the age of deepfakes, a recording means little with no provenance)

Edit: BBC is now repeating this.

[-] SpaceIsReal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His official press service on Telegram ("Press service of Prigozhin"): https://t.me/s/concordgroup_official

[-] demvoter@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[-] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If i were a russian soldier i would be looking to get the fuck out of Ukraine right now. I can smell a mass desertion coming!

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