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How dare they try and play a game they paid for.
Sony refunded everyone who bought the game though.
A seller doesn’t get to walk in your home, hand you a check and take your couch. The same should not be allowed for digital goods. A voluntary refund should never revoke ownership rights. But we don’t actually have ownership rights any more, do we? Or any rights.
Digital ownership is probably going to happen, but it's going to take a generation of politicians to die off. Once we get more people that understand computers and digital goods aren't magic, there can be change.
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But we don’t actually have ownership rights any more, do we?
When it comes to video games, we've never had ownership rights. Buying a game has always been just buying a license. The only thing that's changed is that now publishers have a mechanism with which to enforce it.
Fuck that, when I bought Chrono Trigger for the SNES, I owned that game. I still own that game. Nintendo has not broken into my home to rescind my license to a physical cartridge that I purchased.
Legally speaking, you own the physical cartridge, but you only own a license to the software on the cartridge.
Practically speaking, no one will break into your house to control what you do with the cartridge.
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That is absolutely untrue. Games used to be sold as a physical object containing the game files. No serial numbers to redeem, no servers, no downloads or updates. Sometimes you'd get a booklet with the game that had some codes in it that the game would ask for on startup to make making copies a little more difficult, but that was it.
You'd literally have everything you need just on the CD, disk, or cartridge. We 100% owned the game and the system it was played on, and the only way to revoke that would have been to physically break into your house and steal it.
This whole games as services thing is about 20 years old tops, and it wasn't even remotely approaching the standard for quite a while after that.
Games used to be sold as a physical object containing the game files.
I can do that today too. I can buy from gog, download the installer an burn it to a DVD. I now own a physical object with the game files that gog or the game publisher can not easily take away from me. I'd still just own a license, not the game, and the license can be revoked. They just couldn't really keep me from playing the game even after it was.
You need to understand the difference between having something in your possession and having the rights to it. You never owned any video game, even in the days of cartridges, they were always licenses.
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To be fair, everyone was offered a refund for that game. So technically they probably haven‘t paid for it anymore.
I still totally agree that Sony shouldn‘t go after private Concord servers. This game is very interesting, because it was an unbelievable failure despite having pretty solid gameplay. And preserving that on private servers provides a great way for other developers to learn, and maybe prevent, the tons of other issues leading to the game‘s failure.
they don't even run their servers anymore, it's not like the fan servers are competing with them...
is sony turning into another nintendo/disney? flexing their copyright muscle just because they can?
Turning into? They’ve always been this way. It’s been like 20 years since they decided it was ok to install rootkits on people’s PCs to protect their IP rights.
Sony has been shit for much longer than 20 years, kiddo.
It's interesting. I did a quick search, and couldn't quickly find many complaints about them before 2000, but technical people complained a lot about Sony products back then. The biggest complaint was that Sony did everything themselves. So, every component inside a piece of electronic equipment was made by Sony, and every time they could get away with it, it would have a custom footprint or custom specs, so that it was impossible to find replacement parts without getting them directly from Sony at huge markups.
I said always, I just used an example from this century. Your comment does remind me of the UMD disks and their propriety sd cards
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They've kinda always been shit to gamers, they just hid it from console gaming; PC gamers frequently got shafted by SOE.
I don’t even think they really hid it from the console space. Their entire PS3 launch was peak hubris. They just don’t step on rakes as much as Microsoft does, and Nintendo would shoot a litter of puppies if it helped them protect their IP rights, so they look better in comparison.
They have always been this way:
Although Sony ultimately did not win any of its lawsuits against them, Bleem! had to shut down when the huge court costs became too much for the small company to handle. Bleem! shut down in November 2001…
Turning into? Sony has been worse than Nintendo or Disney for years. They're the OG "we're going to silently brick your machine to protect our digital assets."
At least Nintendo had the decency to put in their EULA that they're going to fuck you for trying to pirate content on their proprietary hardware. Sony just bricked your personal PC because fuck you and then lied about it.
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is sony turning into another nintendo/disney?
A corporation founded during the Showa era will always be anal retentive about intellectual property.
(Nintendo was and still a company making playing cards for decades before it found its bread and butter on handhelds then consoles; Disney was already in the marketing and merchandising game by the 1930s.)
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So let me get this straight... They're still burning money on Concord through legal costs? Just walk away guys.
They really want people to forget all about Concord.
Once in a while Sony reconfirms my choice to boycott them since the rootkit CD scandal in the 00s.
I've made a whole series of purchase decisions based on similar motivation. For decades I've avoided DSLRs, consoles, games, phones, tablets and a whole bunch of products made by Sony. I pirate what I can, everything else is just off-limits.
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Same. I'll never make the mistake of purchasing a Sony product ever again
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They really hate their own fans. Be aware of that next time you purchase any Sony product.
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Had to laugh, here I am scrolling Lemmy and see a post about those server existing, random post next, then this one.
Hurry! Release the server code on the high seas before the Sony lawyers find you!!!
How weird is it that there are people who liked Concord so much that they spent all of their time and money to get something patched together just so they could play it again.
Didn't it overwhelmingly bomb and had like no players towards the end?
Anyways good for them and screw Sony lawyers.
IIRC, it wasn’t a terrible game. It just wasn’t a unique enough game to compete in the space. Just another hero shooter. Just another live service. And thus it failed to meet overinflated expectations. Sony didn’t give it any time to grow or adapt.
Sony went all in on live service games, expecting them to all do gangbusters and to do so for forever. Their high expectations are slipping and failing to be met with Destiny. They bought Bungie for live service games too.
Oh, and Marathon. That one is in a precarious spot. Being delayed after an unexpectedly rough public beta.
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Ahh yes, just the PR Sony wants after Valve dropped an atomic bomb of an announcement.
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StopKillingGames? More like StopMurderingGamesAndExecutingThemInColdBlood.
Assholes
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Pissing off perhaps the only fans of this failure lol
you'd think they would be happy people are going out of their way to preserve the service. It gives them excuse to shut down their servers if they can point to these. but nope
Oh it's never about that. You can't milk a game that lives for free. Although they pay for publicity (ads, etc.), getting it for free means less cash flow, means less numbers on quarterly earnings, means less investor money.
It is always about the number on their bank account, never about you, me, or anyone else. They don't give a flying fuck, they'd happily let us burn in a house fire if it meant just a teensy bit more dollars.
Fuck Sony, Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft, ActiBlizzosoft, and the rest of them.
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There's isn't even an IP argument to be had. They abandoned the game, so why pay a lawyer to ~~sew~~sue?
Edit to correct.
so why pay a lawyer to sew?
I hate to be that person but just in case you wanted to know, it's spelled sue.
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sew: to unite or fasten by stitches
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sue: to seek justice or right from a person by legal process, specifically to bring an action against
Fuck me I can't go two days in a row without a spelling mistake! Also don't apologize, I would rather be embarrassed once now, than potentially infinitely in the future!
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Another DMCA abuse
So, it's all about control, at the end.
Thank you everyone for giving them money so they can use that money against us.
So DMCA takedowns are only for gameplay videos, they haven't sent any takedown (or any other) notice to whoever is hosting / running / developing the custom server code.
It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
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Sony: we think it's the gamers fault the game isn't successful.
gamers: hey, can we play it then?
Sony: fuck off
Nintendo: I am the shittiest!
Sony: Hold my beer...
Because of course they would, what a bunch of dicks.
Must be nice to simply write off 250+ million. Sony needs to be broken up.
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Are people still having anything to do with Sony? The absolutly worst compny ever, Comcast is second place. Complete shit.
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