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The researchers don’t know which ancient human species made the structure and the tools, but it’s unlikely to have been Homo sapiens. The earliest fossils of Homo sapiens found so far date from around 300,000 years ago and were found in Israel, Dull told CNN. He believes the people who made the structure were cognitively sophisticated and it would be very exciting to figure out who constructed this.

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[-] Squibbles@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

There's an interview with one of the researchers who found this on quirks and quarks last weekend. Quirks and quarks is a long running science show on CBC in Canada. Rather interesting, the scientist said at first they thought maybe the flood waters had washed the wood into that formation or something but there are apparently clear tool marks and signs it was deliberately formed.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Truly astonishing that hominids had the instinct to build couch cushion forts long before couches, cushions, or forts were even invented.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Instinct?

And if they built couch cushion forts, then they invented the couch, the cushions and the forts.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 5 points 1 year ago

Truly nature is healing. Ecosystems are now abundant with couches and cushions where none existed before. It’s a return to environmental normalcy.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

Here's the nature article. I've been meaning to read it but have been by had the time.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06557-9

[-] bert_brause@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks mate!

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I’d be much more concerned if a half million year old structure was built by homo sapiens

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

Curious, why do you say that?

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Like others and the article said, it predates when we believe homo sapiens first evolved by a few hundred thousand years.

So if it was built by H. Sapiens either A. We really missed the mark on when we first evolved and we need to go back and really examine our findings, or B. Time travel shenanigans.

Hint: it's pretty much definitely not B.

[-] blargerer@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Or C this thing was dated incorrectly (which still would be my guess tbh).

[-] thallamabond@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Dating wood can get really specific, sometimes narrowing down the year structures were built.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology

Unfortunately this structure is too old for this method

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

While radiocarbon dating is limited to about 50k years, there are other methods that work quite well. Potassium–argon dating can be used to date clay layers, but in more accurate for lava flows...

Other than that, you look for soil layers and look for global (or known local) events, then figure a date for those.

There can still be error, but less than you'd think. Tens of thousands of years at this scale, not hundreds.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Certainly an option, and that crossed my mind as well. But in the context of this part of thread, it kind of seemed like we were taking it for granted that the structure was as old as they claim for the sake of argument.

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

They already have fossil footprints on photographic record of h. Sapient and dinosaurs roaming together. I’ll see if I can find a pic to post. There are a lot of fossil records predating what the Bible says happened.

[-] Efwis@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The photo I was talking about. Someone tried to claim it was fake, but dating proved it wasn’t.

[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
[-] snooggums@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Homo sapians didn't exist a half million years ago.

[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as we know. Shouldn't be concerning :)

Yes, it should be, because that would double the age of the species.

[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Can you explain why that would be concerning though? I would celebrate that richness of history.

[-] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Mostly because we’ve been studying H. Sapiens for a long time so being so wrong would suggest a big gap in a dating methodology and the way we’ve tracked human migration of their history.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Why should it be concerning as opposed to, say, fascinating?

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I've seen enough films to know someone broke their time machine

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If fossilization is the only way for you to recognize history its never going to be complete you will always be missing fragments that changes everything. I guarantee you their are billions if not trillions of species missing because we can only determine by fossilization.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Could be Neanderthals, no?

[-] Lycerius@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

No. It was found in a region Neanderthals never inhabited.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, just looked at the time range.

[-] soupspoon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I read this in the voice of Zoidberg

[-] jmd_akbar@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Oh that was Bob...

/j

In all seriousness, this is such a cool find...

[-] m3t00@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

looks like a prop rod for a big box trap. jk https://www.google.com/search?q=500+000+years+ago

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