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"Both sides are the same but the dems are worse" - said by nobody who is paying attention. There is a reason 'both sides' is exclusively weaponized towards one party and not the other.
Republicans don't pretend to care. We know exactly what to expect from them
Still doesn't make both parties the same. People saying they're the same are trying to convince you not to vote, which consistently benefits one party and absolutely does not move our government to the left.
What have the Democrats done in the last 10 years to stop the GOP? Every ossue America faces comes from infettered capitalism eating away at society like a cancer, but they still egg it on. The party exists to collect corporate donations and make people feel like they can change their lives if they just vote a little harder.
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The ruling class of America sees the mayoral elections of Mamdani and Wilson as more dangerous and threatening than Trump and MAGA.
That's why they've been fighting socialist and communist ideology for over 100 years. It would give us real power in politics and they would lose the privileges afforded to them by the status quo.
Watching the Mamdani election play out was wild. Seeing the biggest challenge being 2 people from the same side argue and talk crap for months was disgusting. Siding with Trump on top of it all because of how scared they were. They were so desperate they had no choice but to not even pretend anymore, like when Biden magically started winning against Bernie in 2020. The next 10 years will be even weirder as more people catch on.
Billionaires plan is now: it’s an IMMEDIATE THREAT IF VOTERS JOIN THE DEMS
the will do everything in their power (like this meme) to drive you away
Democrats cannot be trusted. They will betray everyone as we have just seen with the government closure vote
How can you blame the entire party for the actions of a few? Most Democrats, establishment and otherwise, seem really upset by what those senators have done
You don't think it's suspicious that the only ones that voted with conservatives were the ones that won't face retribution at the ballot box next year? That there's most likely several people that voted "no" that just wanted to save face?
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Is specifically selected members of Congress that were not seeking the election so they can distance themselves from the entire vote, they can say, look what they did. We wanted nothing to do with it.
You used exactly the right word: "seem"
They'll send a sternly worded letter to other members of Congress
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billionaires fund democrats too lmao
the fact that so many people (and presumably you) think "voting for the lesser evil" is the end all be all of political engagement is perhaps one of the bourgeoisie’s greatest victories
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Same energy as the Fox News classic "you complain about police violence but you never complain about gang violence".
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One of them are wolves in sheep clothing. The other are just wolves, period.
You know to shoot the wolves.
The DNC and Dem leadership are the guard dogs of Fascism. The rest don't matter.
"Lap dogs" might be more accurate.
8 Senators don't vote the way you want and now EVERY Democrat is a fascist.
Embarrassing childish fucking nonsense.
Schumer and Ossoff we're also orchestrating it, so they're equally to blame.
Getting mad at all the others who are just as furious about the caving is idiotic though yeah
8 Senators don’t vote the way you want and now EVERY Democrat is a fascist.
8 senators vote the way you want and now you're calling anyone who doesn't love it a child. Standard centrist.
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No rational or decent person ever refused to vote against Republicans in swing states.
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Reform is a tool deployed by the oligarchy to stay in power. It stops progress and results in incremental fascism disguised as a lesser evil. Reform gives the illusion that voters have a part in deciding political outcomes despite several studies showing voters have zero influence in politicians and their policies.
Cool cool, so why does voting vs not voting matter? What actionable alternatives would you suggest and why do those preclude checking a box on a piece of paper?
I'd argue that even an illusory vote has value as a public barometer. If 80% of a voter base is consistently voting against the incumbent party it tells you way more about their discontent than 80% not showing up.
You're correct about that. In a chapter titled, Should We Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments?, Lenin argues that there are a number of reasons why communists ought to participate in elections even if they aren't an effective means of implementing change.
As you mentioned, elections can be useful for a public barometer, they can also be useful for promoting ideas, they can be used to test potential leaders for opportunism, etc.
The caveat is that those goals are only really useful in the context of an actual communist party. It doesn't really do us any good to know that people are dissatisfied with the current ruling party if they just support a different bourgeois party. It undermines the ideas we're trying to promote if we just sheepdog people back into the fold of incrementalism and lesser-evilism and having faith in the system. And it does us little good to test "leaders" who are already avowed anti-communists.
All of which is to say, there are reasons to participate in US elections, but not through the democrats, rather through a third party that actually stands for what we're trying to promote, like PSL.
Really, the main reason that Lenin argues for participation in electoralism is for the sake of reaching people where they're at in order to encourage them to pursue other, more useful approaches, such as strikes.
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Nothing lost by protest voting then
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Some years ago I concluded that in my own value framework, Hypocrisy was one of the greatest sins, just short of things like purposefully harming others for fun.
So yeah, an honest greedy fucker who doesn't hide they don't give a rat's arse about who they harm and how badly in the pursuit of their personal upside maximization is actually a better person (more precisely, a less bad person) than an hypocrite greedy fuck who won't give a rat's arse about who they harm and how badly in the pursuit of their personal upside maximization but try and pass themselves as caring and nice.
You see, they're both doing nasty things to others for personal gain, but the latter is poisoning the well of trust and by hiding their true nature manages to do far more harm than the former before people catch on to it and stop it.
Further, as far as I know there is no positive reason to use hypocrisy: it's only ever used to hide evil intent.
I suspect that alll in all hypocrites do a lot more harm to others than people who are just openly selfish.
That said, in the US Republicans too are hypocrites - notice how they promised all sorts of good things to people like farmers and then did the opposite.
Hypocrisy seems to be a general problem of big party politics.
I don't vote for Republicans. Never have, never will. I do engage with Democrats, and tell them my needs and expectations.
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If Dems are so bad then why did they shutdown the government to save ACA.
Oops someone didn’t hear the senate passed the budget with the ACA cuts.
Hey hey hey! The crossed the aisle to create a historic bipartisan agreement to reopen it!
Checks notes: ah yes, see? Brilliant negotiations! The gop got everything, and the dems got assurance that they will have a vote on the aca benefits! I mean, the vote will just be no, but come on, what skill! Truly, no one could have squeeze more from the deal!
the repubs got more than their initial ask: delta 8 THC is outlawed and now states cannot use alternative funding to pay out SNAP benefits in the future when this inevitably happens again.
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They didn't shut down government to save the ACA, they shut down government to win a couple of elections. Thousands of federal employees went over a month without pay so they could win a couple of elections. They denied SNAP benefits to 42,000 people so they could win a couple of elections. And now that those elections are over, they have voted to reopen government with absolutely none of their demands being met.
And Bernie Sanders can go fuck himself. He is nothing but a sheep dog to the fascist oligarchy
What is it you do like? You seem to hate everything
Take a look at their post history and it will make more sense. My guess is they'd rather see America give up and fail already because surely their idealized government will then rise from the ashes.
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Just Democrats and Republicans. Mostly Democrats Because Republicans don't pretend to care. Democrats will call themselves an ally while embracing you as they shove a knife in your back. Anyone paying half attention would realize that Democrats cannot be trusted.
You're not the person I asked unless you forgot to switch alts, but you also didn't answer the question. What is it you (and the other guy) do like?
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Two sides of the same coin.
Funny republicans saying I'm helping Democrats when I write in a name or vote for a third party.Democrats say I am helping the Republicans. Truth is George Washington was right. Political Parties have corrupted our nation. I'm surprised that we've lasted this long.
You see, the DNC, leaders of the DNC, know that your only sensible options are voting for them or sawing your own legs off, and they know that the reasonable people know this and the loud people are not smart.
This means that any time they lose, they can use that opportunity to shift more towards the right, as they are for the most part old, rich, conservative people.
The only thing they actually fear, is people being consistent long term in both voting for them, and voting to replace them slowly with more progressive elements, but we’re back at the loud people being dumb and encouraging voter apathy amongst themselves and others because it feels cathartic to complain when this is exactly what the DNC wants. They want voter apathy so they can continue to shift to the right. If they kept winning, and progressives kept winning, they’d have no choice but to shift to the left.
It feels so obvious, but on this site, it seems you are seen to be crazy if you suggest anything other than some fantasy solution involving guillotines and a lot of “no, you go first”, or more self foot gunning.
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