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[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Looks like it could be a fun place to live, though I'm concerned about heating and cooling. Where I am, malls cannot survive without massive airconditioning.

[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'd imagine a building would need some modifications to work well. Though I think that large-space HVAC is a problem that's already been solved in other contexts, such as large office and academic buildings. Some retrofitting or other architectural adjustments might still be needed, of course. And the plans should definitely be double-checked in light of climate change making current conditions different from how they were whenever each particular mall was built, probably decades ago.

[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Like the article says, I've heard a lot about this idea but it seems people keep pointing to that one mall in Rhode Island that got redeveloped as mini-apartments. I really wish this got more traction and implementation.

And it's not like local people don't want this. By and large, everyone agrees that dead malls are an eyesore and a waste of space and energy and money. Some people already take it upon their own initiative to try to make something of this, though currently, due to things like zoning laws making them hard to redevelop formally, the people who do take such initiative tend to be those who are left with no other choice in life -- i.e. the homeless, who find shelter there. Some people see homeless people with unkempt hair and unwashed clothing (and possibly mental disorders in addition) and get weirded out, but they really ought to adjust their thinking -- these weird-looking people are the pioneers, frankly, making use of a space that everyone else has just been leaving unused, for one reason or another. They're the ones going to spaces the rest of us won't go to, and making something of them. They're amazing and admirable, frankly.

Anyhow, regardless of people's opinions on the homeless, I think there's broad consensus that something does need to be done about dead and dying malls, and frankly there's also some quite reasonable concerns about building safety for poorly maintained infrastructure anyway. And I don't think there's anyone who doesn't complain about the cost of housing. So what we really need is to get people together to agree to solve this problem by providing more financially and environmentally sustainable solutions -- and mixed-use space for housing and business -- which would actually complement each other, one providing services and goods and the other providing a customer base -- is an excellent option for redevelopment, assuming the original building shell is still in decent condition.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Other larger abandoned buildings in cities here in Europe are often squatted by an active community and turned into alternative art and community centres. In some cases and usually after much struggle to not get evicted these places have also been legalized into quite nice places over the years. However if think the typical mall buildings with their lack of windows and other such problems are unlikely to be attractive for this.

[-] PondSkimmer@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

I love this! There's a mall in my area that's on its last legs, and it has this huge sprawling parking lot that's never used. Also, unlike most malls, this one is connected to other parts of the community via a trail system. The unused space has so much potential to turn into a sprawling community hub, it just needs the chance to do so.

I wonder what the best methods of reclaiming this kind of space actually are. The video mentioned getting people to fundraise/buy the property together, but I wonder how many people you would need to raise that kind of money. I also wonder if any zoning laws might threaten these types of communities.

[-] GlennMagusHarvey@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

You can also make the case that not only is a dead mall a money pit, but parking lots are also a money pit! Having people living and doing business in that space generates much more decent property tax revenue, in addition to revitalizing the vibe of the neighborhood.

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