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[-] kittenzrulz123 4 points 3 hours ago

Steam is naturally the only platform gamers care about because they're the only platform that acturally targers gamers, all other platforms target devs (except GOG who targets gamers that specifically want offline copies without DRM)

[-] PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

Steam has a monopoly: yes. Steam, like apple, takes a cut from all payments in the store, and micro transactions. Considering how Steam is a company, and could just be evil, and bad, like Google, it's:

-Contributions and implementation of the opensource software Proton-Ge, which lets me just download a windows game and play it, off steam, and is also available, free & opensource on other platforms like Lutris. -Regular deals which make it the best place to buy games, if you choose to do so. -Steamdeck

Make it a (mostly) positive force, imho. However, a billion dollar company being able to do discounts below any small game distribution companies, is bad.

[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Boo fucking hoo. Market can try and compete instead of using shady ways to agitate players to join their subpar service.

Nobody hates on Steam being a monopoly. Devs should thank Valve that their policy decreases piracy drastically.

If all monopolies would be like Steam, we would have no arguments against monopolies.

[-] doeinthewoods@lemmy.zip 18 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Remind people that a monopoly isn't illegal. Abusing a monopoly to prevent competition and using a monopoly as a means to create unfair market conditions in other categories - Windows and web browsers in the past or Apple's monopoly on iOS software distribution.

Consoles are even more restrictive than an iPhone is still in the US and was in the EU. Complain about Steam all these devs and people want, unless it can be proven that Valve is using their market share to stop other companies from competing well, it's a moot point calling them a monopoly. That Wolfire lawsuit when I read the initial court filings they put out was a joke. It was citing Twitter posts and blogspam articles citing anonymous forum posts

Steam was not the first PC digital distribution store. It wasn't even great until like 2006/2007. In the early days Impulse could have been competitive but Stardock sold it to GameStop who in dumb move of the last 2 decades did nothing with it. Desura did not improve. GFWL was terrible. Windows Store used to have issues with making storage unreclaimable without a reformat of the drive. Direct2Drive never improved. GamersGate just stayed a key seller. GoG was never going to grow without regular day one games which wasn't going to be competitive as DRM free. Humble Store stayed a key seller.

Amazon and Epic's idea was to just give away games. Ubisoft and EA stores barely even had games they didn't publish. So sparse I bet they didn't have self publishing tools. Those 2 puzzlingly regularly had issues maintaining login sessions persisting over time. PC gaming is dieing was the mainstream meme until like 2015. Epic on Android doesn't even have a library of owned games view and it's been almost a year since that released.

Valve didn't make Amazon, Microsoft, Epic, EA, Ubisoft, Stardock+GameStop, Direct2Drive, ... all under invest and/or mismanage their PC game store platform efforts. It's not up to Valve to stop making the platform more appealing. EGS is 7 years old. Those other companies have been doing PC game stores for much longer. I remember buying and downloading PC games from Amazon before Prime gaming. It was just like Direct2Drive. Since 2004 Direct2Drive was always a storefront for any publishers game whereas Steam didn't start listing 3rd party games until 2005.

If any service was comparable to like end of 2013 Steam, that would easily be second best store platform. Instead every store is at best like 2010 Steam with nicer animations, bigger buttons. And today there's way more resources to make a competitor. More cloud service providers with mature onboarding tools. NPM install. A lot more open source databases. Kubernetes. Git. Etc. Should be able to do better than 7 year old Steam in 7 years from these companies that were far larger than 2002/2003 Valve when they got into PC game distribution. The big publishers were probably all wealthier than Valve up to like 2015

It's not Sony and Nintendo's fault that since the Kinect on the 360, Microsoft hasn't been able to manage their studios to be competitive with Nintendo and Sony studios

[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

100% agree to everything. Steam is monopoly. But they implement policies for gamers in mind, not money. If anything, devs should praise Steam for decreasing gaming piracy. Things that Valve do for gamers is incomparable to whatever EA, Ubi, Epic do.

[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Monopolies are just an effect of capitalism in its current form.
I'm more concerned with the games companies who aren't even monopolies, and are already seen as shit services run by shitty people (unless anyone actually likes Ubisoft, EA, and their launchers???)

Gamers have respect for Gaben, and I've heard more faith and less worry about his son taking over than practically the entire team of owners from Valve's competitors. They have a monopoly because it's a good service, and the fact that it's has a user base as big as it does shouldn't surprise anyone: they seem to be doing things right enough to not be a bother. That's what matters more than the inevitability of a business getting big - there's a lot more Nuance and that doesn't just magically happen, nor is just pointing it out helpful in sensible critique.

[-] Alandrus_Sun@ttrpg.network 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

In this one case, I'm okay with its monopoly as long as Gabe is in charge. I have bought tens of thousands of dollars in games on the platform and it's crazy I can still hit download on games over 20 years old in my library AND have my save game data imported from that time.

So far, Valve has been fair to their users. Hell, they heard concerns over gambling and just took a sledgehammer to the CS2 skin market. I don't think any other company would devalue their digital assets to a tune of -3 BILLION dollars. Valve is the GOAT.

[-] PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

10s of thousands? HELP

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 hours ago

I find it fascinating that Lemmings suddenly turn off their critical thinking skills when it comes to Valve. We really need to study this.

[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

What criticism of Valve do you have?

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 28 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Then why aren't 72% of games on GOG.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 21 points 10 hours ago

Yeah I gotta say that I am a steam fanboy, but GOG is making me pause. After 20 years of being on steam (oh my god it's been that long) I am finding myself preferring GOG. No DRM is pretty sick.

They want to fight back against steam the winner isn't more DRM, it's using valve's own weapon against them, and using less DRM.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

If it wasn't for Valve's aggressive support for Linux (and GOG being for-profit and hence inherently evil) then I'd definitely prioritize GOG.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 hours ago

GOG version is superior for modding like Skyrim or Fallout series because of the forced updates if you launch the game on Steam.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

I will always choose GOG over Steam if given the choice, but too many developers still think it’s okay to take your money without giving you true ownership of your purchase. Steam allows that exploitation and GOG does not.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

Because they are cowards.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 hours ago

Libraries should host a digital store front for the people's games.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 148 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

There's a difference between being feature-rich and popular and being a monopoly.

Call me when Steam is buying competing stores to shut them down.

Now, in terms of PC gaming monopolies, let me introduce you to "Microsoft".

[-] Mk23simp 46 points 16 hours ago

I think there is a distinction to be made between being a monopoly and doing anti-competitive behavior.

Steam hasn't done any anti-competitive behavior that I am aware of, but they do have enough market power to be considered a monopoly. Consider how companies like EA and Activision tried to maintain competing platforms but caved because those platforms were not viable compared to Steam. That's monopoly power.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I think they were viable but nobody trusts EA and Activision with keeping the game they buy.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

but they do have enough market power to be considered a monopoly

Bullshit. Being the most popular platform does not automatically make a monopoly, this is armchair lawyer nonsense.

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[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 27 points 16 hours ago

theres basically one anti conpetitive measure they hold primarily, and its the one that states the listing price of a game must be the same on all platforms policy. stops devs from having a lower listing price on other platforms.

other than that its usually other platforms shooting their selves.

[-] Mk23simp 31 points 15 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that that only applies to steam keys being sold on other sites. If it's being distributed in some other form, it can be cheaper.

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[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 44 points 14 hours ago

As long as Steam keeps giving me a great platform that doesn't suck, as long as they continue to push Linux gaming forward, I'll keep sending them money.

[-] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 26 points 13 hours ago

It's weird because normally having a monopoly is really bad but all the competition pales in comparison to Steam and they actually provide a good platform. Maybe after Gaben dies Steam will go to shit but for now they're not just the best but also doing way more than just being a place to buy games.

[-] PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Thats the thing about gaming specifically. Like there will always be piracy for steam to compete with, and opensource technology like proton, wine. I thank steam for contributing to linux gaming, steamdeck etc, but will drop them in an instant if they go bad.

[-] Quazatron@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I'm expecting that to be the case, so I hedge my bets by also buying from GOG and praying for Gabe to have a long life.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 12 hours ago

they do, and it's all going to shit the moment gaben dies and is replaced by investor vultures.

[-] poolhelmetinstrument@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

From the article, "Atomik Research, surveyed 306 industry executives across the UK and USA" Executives are likely removed from the opinions of the actual developers, are they not?

[-] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 62 points 17 hours ago

I don't know if I would say they're a monopoly there are other options/store fronts out there...it's just that the vast majority outside of GOG suck. in fact they all suck OTHER than Steam and GOG.

And as a Linux user...I ain't got much of a choice. Steam, now, just works for me. I don't even have to toggle the compatibility option anymore or hell even mess around with proton if I don't want to. install steam via whatever package manager or flatpak and i'm off to the races.

Anything other than Steam is unlikely to work. EA, Epic, and Microsoft have all essentially told me they don't want my business simply because I use Linux.

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[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 27 points 16 hours ago

72% of devs meaning 72% of developers = people or 72% of developer studios = a bunch of suits?

75% of respondents were senior managers of C-suite level.

Ah ok, so pointless people. They could ask an AI...

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 12 hours ago

Note the survey is also posted by a company whose service is to help people publish on multiple storefronts at once.

[-] SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world 34 points 17 hours ago

They have the largest share and can direct the market/development, no question, but they not a monopoly. I think GOG has a good shot to complete as time carries on. At least while Gabe is still alive, they've been relatively ethical.

If the choice of largest developer platform is between Steam and companies like Epic, EA, or Microsoft, Steam still looks like a better alternative.

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