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One time, I put my hand out to stop a kid from running into the street.

Most people were like "Woah that kid almost died." But one Karen looking woman had a "How dare you touch that child" look.

I'm not going to stop saving kids who run into the street. But it did make me question when to involve myself or not. And I can see a lot of people hesitating because some fuckface has something stupid to say.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago

Yep. People have strange selective views on things.

I was standing with the car at the crossing where it enters the main road. A kid came racing down the bike path from the local primary school on his scooter and tried to get around my car without wasting speed, i.e. slowing down. Physics said: "NO" in no uncertain terms, and the kid kissed the road in front of my car. I got out to help, but he already got up, probably more annoyed about loosing speed than anything else, answered negative on my inquiry if he was hurt or needed help, and was off like lighting.

Two days later, the police was at my door, responding to a neighbors claim that I had run over a kid that day...

[-] Knusper@feddit.de 24 points 1 year ago

I could imagine that neighbour just heard some noise, looked outside, and then just concluded, you must've hit that child, from what the aftermath looked like...

[-] PennyAndAHalf@lemmy.ca 98 points 1 year ago

A man stopped my son with his hand from crossing at the signal because a car didn’t see him and could have mowed him down. I think a lot about how that could have gone badly if the man had second guessed himself for even a moment. Legally and socially, we need to be on the side of anyone who makes a split second decision to help in a crisis.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 year ago

Exactly. As much as I believe in being a good person and trying to stop others from coming to harm, there is now a not-nonsignificant chance that I end up being prosecuted for something as a result of stepping in to attempt to save a life. It deincentivizes such activities.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 233 points 1 year ago

I am hesitant to put my hands on the chest of a woman who hasn't given consent.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago

One of the few cases where consent of anything can be assumed is lifesaving of a person unable to respond. One of the first steps of cpr is to seek a response to ensure that the person is unconscious before then confirming no pulse.

But yeah I get why it’s awkward

[-] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

Yeah but the mob around me watching me touch her breasts might not know that.

[-] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

I'm not CPR certified or anything, but I think if you're just grabbing titties you're probably doing it wrong.

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[-] Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago

The instructors advise you to speak aloud your actions as you do them. Also helps if you have already levelled out instructions to the rent a crowd to perform specific tasks like send for help and get the defib and you three who said yes to cpr training let's line up and take turns doing cpr.

...of course, the training to be comfortable giving these instructions is not really done.

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[-] Zenabiz@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Understandable, but you only need to do it if there is no pulse. If you are doing chest compressions to save their life, I am sure the majority would be quite happy with not dying. You don't need to take off their top, and you are pressing on their sternum rather than their breasts. You can't really mistake CPR for anything else if you are doing it correctly.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago

You don't need to take off their top

Well, you do if using AED. Tom Scott has video on those too: https://youtu.be/ecVHYg4_vZw

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[-] bluGill@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

CPR does not save lives. It preserves a dead body until an AED or ambulance can bring it back to life. You need to remove her shirt and often bra (if there is a wire it must go, otherwise only if in the way) to use an AED so if some item of clothing is in the way don't worry about removing it.

Note that the above is generic CPR training that doesn't respect local laws which can say something different.

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[-] lobsticle@lemmy.world 176 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bystander: She's apneic and has no pulse! I'm beginning CPR!

Commences compressions

Patient: Uh actually I have a boyfriend

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

"I was trying to save your life."

"Ugh are you still talking to me?"

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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 111 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I live in a very strict and conservative country and once a young girl passed out in front of everyone. Her sister was panicking screaming at her to try to breath. I'm usually a savior vigilante type of guy whenever and wherever the situation but sadly at that time I was wearing shorts. So my immediate reaction was to nope out and pretend I didn't see anything. They had to bring another woman who was working close by to do CPR and resuscitate her. The girl then survived obviously. I later had feelings of guilt that I did not step in to help, but in the same time I could've been jailed for touching her and worse get beaten by everyone there. what an awful dilemma ...

[-] Daqu@feddit.de 84 points 1 year ago

Just take the shorts off before helping

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Was it illegal there to touch a woman while wearing shorts?

[-] qarbone@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

I believe it's more the fear of looking informal or unprofessional. Without more formal clothes, he was afraid of looking like a random chancer copping a feel instead of someone trying to save a life. Pretty silly in retrospect but definitely a possible fear in the moment.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 43 points 1 year ago

I don't know why but my brain went the direction of "it's harder to hide a random boner in shorts" but don't ask me why my brain is fucked that way.

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[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago

In order to use a defibrillator, you have to remove everything from a person's chest. This includes the bra and to even shave chest hair to be able to apply the pads correctly.

I've always thought that it would be troublesome for a man to have to apply a defibrillator to a woman if someone assumes foul play because of their own issues.

Life over dignity in that situation, everyone else be damned.

[-] Misconduct@startrek.website 56 points 1 year ago

Imagine dying because some old puritan assholes decided at some point that female nips are inherently offensive but male nips are fine. Humanity can be so idiotic sometimes

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 47 points 1 year ago

If I saw someone with a defibrillator ripping the clothes off an unconscious woman, I don't think I would suspect foul play.

[-] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

You might not, but you gotta remember that the public is also filled with idiots

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 42 points 1 year ago

While my cousin's neighbor is fighting a law suit because, a woman (cousin's neighbor) used defibrillator on another woman(when her heart stopped) , and other woman is now suing the neighbor for some minor marks from defibrillator. Mostly neighbor will win the case, but she has to appear in court now. Makes me feel so angry and i don't even know the neighbor lady.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago

in these cases sometimes the insurance makes you sue even if you don't want to because otherwise they won't pay for any of the debt

My colleague has a situation where he's being sued by his neighbor for minor burns after a firework accident a few years ago 4th of July. The neighbor doesn't want to sue him but has no choice to get the medical services paid for.

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[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

It does not have to be life over dignity. There can be a middle ground they could at least provide a cover while doing their thing. I know a teen girl who changed school, did therapy and tried to sue because she once had a seizure and they stripped her naked in front everyone to save her. Her "friends" took video of her and spread it all over their school. As awful as it sounds I'm not making this up.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 year ago

Fuck the other kids for taking and sharing videos, people suck.

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[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just did red cross CPR and AED training last week, and the materials said the clothes all need to come off (or pulled up or whatever - off the chest) but chest hair doesn't need to be shaved. Presumably the instructions change periodically.

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[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

52% versus 55%. 61% vs 68% in public places. Not a lot of difference, within margin of error even.

[-] ledtasso@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The sample size was in the tens of thousands (39K total cases according to the original EUSEM article) so it would be extremely surprising if there were no real difference. You could easily say it's within margin of error if there were only a few hundred cases examined, but we're talking about tens of thousands here.

Important to note though that the data only accounted for Canada and the US.

Another important caveat is that we're assuming the data collection process was not flawed or biased, which is maybe a legitimate concern. But it's a separate issue entirely.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, I don't find it all that surprising. Men are wise to err on the side of caution when it comes to even the appearance of improper behavior and I could see how many might freeze up in such a situation, even if they knew CPR.

I remember a woman talking about how some kids were running around naked near their house and he had to call her, and she was kind of grumbling about how he wouldn't just handle it himself. I had to explain that I would have done exactly the same. There is no WAY as an adult male I'd be accosting underage naked children and asking where their parents were, etc., unless they were in danger of freezing or other dangers. This woman was acting like her husband was being lazy and/or a wuss. He was just using his head.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 year ago

The more significant finding here is 40% of people don't get CPR - I think this mostly comes down to public ignorance. It's not like most schools make their students CPR certified. I got mine through Boyscouts, but a lot of people don't really get that kind of education.

I wouldn't be surprised if that explains the gender difference, too. Due to ignorance a lot of people might not really grasp the difference between chest compressions and fondling someone's chest 🙄

[-] nottheengineer@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago

In germany, you need to take an 8 hour first aid course to get your driver's license.

It's better than nothing, but it's been 5 years for me and I'm not sure if I could still do it properly.

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[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 58 points 1 year ago

Makes sense, you could save their life and catch a case.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Having a one in 4 chance that you won't get CPR If you collapse in public is a disturbing statistic.

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[-] Franzia 28 points 1 year ago

The puritanical culture we have is the ruin of everything. We wouldn't be overly thoughtful about consent this and that if not for awful people getting away with sex crimes left and right, even in current day. Guess what? If you're not a rapist, don't hold yourself to the same stringent standard - do the fucking CPR and save a life.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Not surprising. This aligns with other studies around women and cardiac problems. People have a bias toward identifying the symptoms that men show, and women often have a tendency to display different symptoms.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

I... don't think that's the reason why people would avoid specifically CPR, specifically in a public place.

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[-] Maikeruk@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Well maybe she has a boyfriend

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