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State officials promise large-scale involuntary addiction and mental health treatment at Salt Lake City’s edge. Critics see “a prison, or a warehouse.”

Needless to say, people don't go by choice, can't leave when they want. Might be a concentration camp instead of a jail, since there's no legal reason to force somebody into it:

As Mr. Shumway describes it, nearly two-thirds of the 1,300 homeless people potentially sent to the site could be there for involuntary treatment. About 400 beds would be set aside for psychiatric treatment. Another 400 beds would provide substance abuse treatment “as an alternative to jail,” he said, with entry and exit “not voluntary.”

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[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 23 points 6 days ago

It 100% is a concentration camp. Not even remotely our first though. And anyone who believes that psychopathic or sociopathic groups, that revel in mental and physical abuse. Will even attempt to provide psychiatric help, needs help themselves.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

You know I've been told Utah is a lovely place but all I see is theocratic rot masquerading as a state. The failure to deal with the Mormons in a more permanent way has been disastrous for society.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 8 points 6 days ago

“An accountability center is involuntary, OK — you’re not coming in and out,” Randy Shumway, chairman of the state Homeless Services Board, said in an interview. Utah will end a harmful “culture of permissiveness,” he said, and guide homeless people “towards human thriving.”

Surely the Orwellian naming conventions of this shit was not lost on any of them

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Ask a homeless person if they'd like to stay in their own hotel room for free and see how fast their "culture" changes.

[-] etherphon@midwest.social 7 points 6 days ago

While a good idea to keep addicts and people with mental health problems out of jails, I do not trust this administration to take care of these people at all.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The usual pretext of being harmful to oneself or others isn't even there. The "harm" is making people sad at the sight of a homeless person.

[-] notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

This, and our oppressors don’t want us to be reminded that Capitalism only works for the rich.

[-] xyzzy@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm in favor of involuntarily committing people addicted to drugs like fentanyl, methamphetamines, and opioids to get them clean as part of a wider initiative to get them into stable housing and build their support network.

I understand the skepticism of facilities like this and I'm not making any specific comment about the effectiveness or comprehensiveness of this one (but it's Utah, so I can make assumptions).

That said, there is nothing compassionate about watching people out of their minds on drugs, living on the streets, and falling asleep (at best) in stairwells with needles hanging out of their arms. Progressives cannot have a platform of unrestricted homelessness and drug use like cities like Portland tried a few years ago (and walked back fairly quickly, because it made public areas unusable and unsafe).

But it's really important to pair it with the housing and support network side of things.

[-] Mr_WorldlyWiseman 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not familiar with the Portland history, but if they were actually providing health care, drug addicts would go voluntarily. Remission rates are probably a lot higher when you use force to make someone sober.

[-] xyzzy@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

My understanding is the number of individuals that seek voluntary municipal assistance has been extremely low (like literally double digits of individuals per year). Relapse for individuals addicted to fentanyl is quite high, although deaths have been declining. One grim theory is the most addicted individuals have already died (it was literally like 100,000 deaths per year nationally).

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago
[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Found the Trekkie. LLAP brother.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Clearly somebody muddled in the timeline, this shit was supposed to end in 2024 not start in 2025

[-] morriscox@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

How is this different from being jailed and receiving treatment? It looks like they want to avoid being accused of arresting/imprisoning thousands and eventually hundreds of thousands of people by doing the same thing with a different name.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 days ago

The only "crime" is not having a home. So its "treating" it by sending people to a prison without due process

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

What kind of "treatment" do you think will be given?

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