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[-] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 month ago

Phones may be a factor, but since this seems to be a uniquely North American problem, I’d look toward the vehicles themselves: People have always been distracted while walking, but hood heights have increased dramatically in recent years.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The drivers being on their phones is a major contributor, I'd imagine

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I vaguelly remember reading how SUVs are 70% more deadly in collisions with pedestrians than conventional cars.

(Because their front is flatter and taller, so pedestrians are less likelly to roll over the hood and instead tend to be projected away)

I believe those kinds of cars started taking off back then.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

People buy SUVs because "safer" but they kill more pedestrians - and they're not strictly safer for occupants either. Big SUVs have rollover risk. Crossovers aren't necessarily any safer in a collision because it turns out that what really matters is the "area" of the car (length x width) and since crossovers and SUVs often cost more, you end up getting a smaller vehicle by area for the same amount of money. You literally get less for your money and it's also less fun to drive and probably requires more fuel. I honestly don't see why people without back issues get crossovers over wagons.

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[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

[https://www.statista.com/statistics/199980/us-truck-sales-since-1951/](If anyone is searching for an answer why.) Funny how it is almost the same curve.

[-] Lightfire228@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago

Correlation is not causation

There could be a 3rd driving force that's causing both trends, among other possible explanations

[-] webpack@ani.social 5 points 1 month ago

I think the general consensus is that bigger and more dangerous cars causes more pedestrian deaths.

[-] Lightfire228@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

but a correlation (as presented in the first comment) is not a valid explanation (again, as is presented in the comment)

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago

It's good practice 👍🏼 but I probably go for the trucks explanation here

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[-] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I just checked the data for Germany and it doesn't reflect the same trend. Could be that Germany is more pedestrian friendly. There is no upwards trend visible from 2007, when smartphones became mainstream. But, you can see a clear drop in pedestrian ~~deaths~~ accidents caused by traffic during the pandemic.

Edit: Little mistake from me, this statistic shows pedestrian accidents, not deaths. Still comparable though.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 month ago

Why is this graph sideways

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Its physically painful to look at.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

i feel the same way every morning when i look in the mirror.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Stop doing what doesn't serve you.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

The more I look at it, the worse it gets

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When corporate commands all charts must be up and to the right

[-] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

There is an option to rotate it on the site, but it doesn't work for me. Sorry about that.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

This next question isn't for you, but if you could pass it along to the website owners, that would be great.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR GRAPHS??? WHY IS THE DEFAULT VIEW SIDEWAYS???

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Because any values can be on X or Y axis.

[-] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

99.9% of reasonable graph makers put the linear value (like years) on the x axis, and the variable value on the y axis…

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[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

I guess Germany isn't as much into SUVs

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago
  1. People walking into live traffic while texting.

  2. People driving while texting.

  3. Police doing fuck all about it.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

While those are all contributing factors, I'd argue cars getting bigger has added two additional major factors:

  1. Impacts are far more likely to be deadly due to the higher hood height knocking the victim to the asphalt/concrete, rather than them going over the hood

  2. Higher hood heights have far less visibility, giving less time to react, if the driver sees the victim at all

Combine that with people generally being distracted by smartphones, and we get the current situation

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 1 month ago

My brother got his drivers license that year.....

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[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 13 points 1 month ago

Not just smartphones, dashboards with flat touchscreens. Now, you have to look at the dashboard. Prior, you manipulated all the controls by touch.

Honestly though, I don’t understand the smartphone thing. Set your playlist, book, podcast and go. Leave if alone until you park. Why is that hard?

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 6 points 1 month ago

I'm with you. Maybe I'm getting old, but I still treat texting/messaging as asynchronous communication. It's not a "live" conversation, and if I'm driving or doing something else in between messages, then it's going to be a bit before I can respond again.

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[-] abbiistabbii 13 points 1 month ago

The size of cars exploded and bigger cars are less safe for pedestrians.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

2007/8 financial crisis had gas spike up to $5-8/gal in some instances. This caused a lot of people to sell their SUVs and get more economical vehicles.

In the mid 2010's, gas prices came down substantially, and everyone bought more SUVs and traded in their economic vehicles.

SUVs kill pedestrians like bug zappers kill mosquitos on a damp, hot night in the swamp.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Drop starts in 1980, which was before SUVs, and after introduction of SUVs and popularity increase, kept dropping. I prefer the phone explanation, but don't know why it started dropping in 1980. Maybe exodus to suburbs, and no pedestrians in suburbs?

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I believe you might be trying to apply logic to the dates assuming there's only one or two variables changing across all those decades. The truth is there are multiple strongly correlated reasons pedestrian deaths declined sharply in the US over the years.

In the 1980's and 90's it was largely the safety standards being improved in vehicles. ABS being standard helped with stopping before hitting people. Road safety standards and road designs improved to allow for more pedestrian walkways away from the streets. Automatic headlights at night turning on, better road conditions, better tires were introduced to handle different weather patterns more easily (e.g. in the rain or snow where traction loss could lead to pedestrian deaths) as well as standards to increase vehicle inspections and what safety standards were being checked during those inspections.

In the 2000's, while many safety standards were still being improved and tweaked, a lot of the impactful ones had already been instituted, so the changes were less and less dramatic over the last 20ish years.

The specific question the OP was asking for was around the 2010 drop, and that is strongly correlated with high gas prices leading to sell-offs of SUVs, and SUVs are the leading cause of pedestrian deaths by far with modern cars with modern safety standards. Largely for the reasons others in this post have mentioned (larger, heavier, hood height, etc.).

I was very much a car nut during those years, and the gas prices drove many, many people to trade in their SUVs, trucks, etc. that had poor gas mileage. Gas prices were nuts, and a huge shock to everyone's budget when it jumped up suddenly. This wasn't really an inflationary thing, this was caused by a multitude of factors, but it stayed high for a long time due to those conditions.

When those conditions reverted, gas prices started falling like a rock, and everyone went back to thinking: "well, maybe I can afford that SUV again". And they did. SUV sales rose sharply once gas prices fell. So pedestrian deaths have gone back up as a result.

Today, it's also multiple factors, with the vehicle type being one of the large ones (hood height has been linked as a giant increase in the liklihood a pedestrian dies in a collision), but the other factor that rose sharply was smartphone use while driving from about the mid 2010's to today. It's probably the leading cause of vehicular deaths in general (I haven't checked, but I'd throw $20 at it being distracted drivers).

[-] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

We children of the 80s were out there in them streets, walking and biking to our friends' houses and dodging the cars. Over the years our skills grew, and the numbers were finally on our side. And while it was sad on the rare occasion that we lost a friend to the streets as if they were an Oregon Trail character, it did help the numbers even more!

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Lifted trucks were popular as far back as the 80s (remember Back to the Future? And that thing was from the factory...).

This is definitely a smartphone thing, and a little bit a car touchscreen thing.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

While they certainly had some popularity, as you said enough to feature in bttf, and people remember obsessions with trucks like Bigfoot, generally it was still a more narrow niche.

Sedans, station wagons, sports cars were all pretty popular. Even the first big family vehicles were minivans that tended to have lower noses. The trucks of the time were downright sane compared to the modern mandate of trucks cosplaying as semis.

The 90s saw the rise of the suv.

But yeah, the critical factor for that timeframe in the chart would seem to be touch screen phones.

[-] i_dont_want_to 10 points 1 month ago

Thanks Obama

[-] brownsugga@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Trucks which are the most popular vehicles in the US got taller in the front

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

I've not seen people mention what probably is the actual case: the US government failing to handle the big changes in traffic like phone usage, change of vehicles sold, etc..

Different countries handled similar changes appropriately and deaths decreased, while the vehicle centric US did nothing to protect pedestrians/cyclists/...

The government, probably under influence from industry, is 100% to blame.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

LED headlights that blind everybody in front of them

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Apropos of nothing, but yesterday I saw a guy in a lifted pick-up truck two thumb type during a fucking zipper merge. Who needs eyes to drive, anyway?

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I bet a big part of this is the opioid crisis. Lots of people driving high as fuck.

[-] Eh_I@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Caylynn got her license.

[-] slothrop@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago
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[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We lost the headphone jack. Jk

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Wearing headphones awhile you drive is dangerous.

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[-] LemUser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Teaching people that pedestrians have the right of way is partially to blame. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people just step into traffic without looking because they know the car is required to stop. There was a teenage girl in my community who stepped in front of two lanes of cars just as their light turned green and a guy in the passing lane came barreling down the hill through the green light and hit her because he didn't see her in front of the lane she forced to stop until he was under the light. Another thing is people walking FACING traffic. If you are facing traffic and a car is pulling out to turn right from a road or driveway, their focus is looking for an opening on their left. I have witnessed two bike accidents because they were facing traffic and pulled in front of cars turning right while looking to their left.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks Obama

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