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Ukrainian parents invited to ‘collect their children’ from Russia - UPI.com (www.upi.com)

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov invited Ukrainian parents to "collect their children" taken from Ukraine amid the ongoing war.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 102 points 2 years ago

That sounds ominous as all fuck.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

"Walk into my parlour" said the spider to the fly.

[-] Sciaphobia@lemm.ee 85 points 2 years ago

What could possibly go wrong with that. I heard the Russians have been very trustworthy in the recent past.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 2 years ago

See, it was all just a misunderstanding. Just travel into the country that's been bombing your country for over a year and show up at the lost and found office.

[-] nakal@kbin.social 73 points 2 years ago

So they have no shame to admit they have committed war crimes. And as a parent I would be sceptical if I am safe collecting the children.

There is also many complications when citizens of a country they are at war with enter the other country. The most reasonable thing to do would be to bring the kids near the border where they would be collected by officials or an organization which makes sure the kids find a safe way home.

[-] schizosfera@feddit.de 15 points 2 years ago

And as a parent I would be sceptical if I am safe collecting the children.

Parents will do almost anything in order to be able to be with their children again, no matter how unsafe. That's one of the reasons this is so messed up.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 46 points 2 years ago

Maybe just...unkidnap them instead? Lavrov is such a vampire.

[-] andyburke@kbin.social 40 points 2 years ago

At what point do we start to discuss how evil the Russian regime is? I mean, this is feeling like we are approaching the lines in the sand that we drew after WWII, if we haven't already blown past them.

I have no desire to lose more lives, but this is evil. How can any country support Russia in this?

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hey families, come on over to our um... kids camp... and while you're here, can you help us inspect our walk-in ovens? Does is smell like a gas leak in there?

Conservatives are addicted to committing genocide. Every policy conservatives hold and every law they pass (no matter what country) is designed to inch closer to genocide. Every time.

Conservatism is a plague that is overdue for a painful cure.

[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago

Damn, I didn't realise Elastigirl was real but that's such a stretch that you must be her...

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

Didn't they deny taking these children in the first place? Now they're trying to trap the parents by using the children as bait. Russia delenda est.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

Ugh, seriously, fuck Russia.

[-] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Hopefully someday soon, they will.

Escorted by a great deal of firepower, armor, and air support.

And lots of international investigative teams figuring out and documenting all the war crimes and human trafficking.

[+] eran_morad@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[-] clanginator@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Fuck Putin. The Russian people do not deserve the hardships they're enduring due to his warmongering rn

[-] Kata1yst@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Putin still enjoys widespread public support, and the vast majority of the Russian public supports both the explicit goals of the war as well as the implicit ones. This is a problem bigger than Putin, bigger than the oligarchs, and bigger than the current regime.

[-] clanginator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Putin still enjoys widespread public support, and the vast majority of the Russian public supports both the explicit goals of the war as well as the implicit ones

Sources?

Every Russian I've interacted with has expressed their distate for Putin.

This is a problem bigger than Putin, bigger than the oligarchs, and bigger than the current regime.

So could you explicitly point to what the problem is? Bc it seems to me that the oligarchs and Putin have been doing their best to brainwash and ensure that they remain in power, to the detriment of the Russian people.

[-] Kata1yst@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

Source?

Many.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-05-31/russian-public-support-for-putin-remains-high-despite-concerns-about-ukraine-war-poll
https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

Every Russian I’ve interacted with has expressed their distate for Putin.

The ones you have interacted with online or in other countries are going to be less likely to support due to their age, education, and socio-economic status. Classic confirmation bias.

So could you explicitly point to what the problem is?

Explicitly? There is no simple answer. There has been brainwashing, no doubt. But look at Russian history. This isn't an anomaly. Culturally they appear to favor authoritarianism, nationalism, and strong man mentality in their politics.

The simple solution is education and multiculturalism. But that answer isn't really simple.

[-] clanginator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the info.

Culturally they appear to favor authoritarianism, nationalism, and strong man mentality in their politics.

Yeah, while I understand that there is an element of that that's uniquely Russian, I mean that was also much of the world for much of history.

But like you said, no easy answer.

And yeah obviously the people I interact with outside of Russia will give a different perspective. I just always got the vibe from them that a large portion of the population resented Putin, but apparently that's less of a vibe than I thought.

[-] Faceroll@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This is all heresay but there were a few reporters over in Russia just asking random people in the street what they thought about the "Special Operation"; most of them answered that it was good that the Nazis were killed and that Ukraine should be brought back into the Motherland. Propaganda is one HELL of a drug.

Most of the Russians I have talked too over the past year also dislike the War and what Russians are doing there. But mind you these are people that no longer live IN Russia or people who left BECAUSE of the war. So there is that

[-] devils_advocate@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Propaganda is one HELL of a drug.

Sent from "the land of the free" (probably). It's hard to detect Propaganda if you are it’s target.

[-] Faceroll@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Nah dude, I'm Scandinavian :)

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

As a parent, how could you say no?

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You could say no because if you don't make it there on your way and back home safe, you forever lost your chance to be together again.

I understand your of course, this is inhuman in an endless list of ways and manipulates parents like a fine fiddle.

[-] fluke@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

That is exactly what makes this 'invite' from Lavrov so fucking insidious.

Because it makes it look like you don't care about your children if you don't. It's a yet another weapon deployed by a side that are constantly firing all kinds of weapons.

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Not so much looking like a bad parent. Maybe feeling like bad parent. I mean, I don't know that I could pass it up, if there was even a tiny chance to get them back. The guilt of not going would probably drive me to dark places.

[-] fluke@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

But there is no chance. Lavrov has done nothing but talk complete and utter shit from day one. It's his job as Putin's lap dog. To create sound bites that Russian supporters can latch on to.

He knows he's talking pure shit, everyone with an actual brain knows he is. He doesn't care that the world laughs at him when he moves his mouth. Because that's not who he's speaking to.

He's speaking to the Tucker Carlson/Fox News/GB News/other nation's equivalent type troglodytes who think that Russia are doing the right thing and blah blah blah.

It's all propaganda.

Imagine if Goebbels told you, as a Jew that if you wanted your kids back all you had to do was travel to Berlin. Pinky promise! Of course you wouldn't even give it a second to consider. You would know it was complete bullshit.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It's not about you, it's about the image. In a month they'll be screaming "see! Ukrainians don't want their kids back! Ukraine bad!!!!". They'll silently lock up anyone who actually goes and try to spin it to their advantage.