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Would they have all still fought against him?

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[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 325 points 1 year ago

Isaac Asimov, a very intelligent person, wrote a lengthy essay to the effect that he had no idea what intelligence was. He talked about how society would generally consider him more intelligent than the nearly illiterate man who repaired his car, and yet whenever something went wrong with his car he would go to his mechanic and listen to his advice as if it was being handed down from the mountaintop by Moses himself, because Isaac Asimov knew fuck all about car repair. He talked about how he thought that supposedly objective IQ tests were generally a series of gates designed by people already considered intelligent to keep themselves in power, and that they totally disregarded huge swaths of indispensable human knowledge and talent. Isaac Asimov, who has been published in literally every section of the Dewey Decimal System, concluded that he had no firm idea as to what exactly "intelligence" even was.

In short, how could one even define "the dumbest 50%"?

And that's why Thanos should have made everybody half as large as they once were.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He talked about how he thought that supposedly objective IQ tests were generally a series of gates designed by people already considered intelligent to keep themselves in power, and that they totally disregarded huge swaths of indispensable human knowledge and talent.

Modern psychology supports this, too. IQ tests are bullshit, and intelligence is not something that can be reasonably quantified in any meaningful sense without an insane amount of asterisks.

Also...are we counting kids? Because you'd probably find kids are consistently beneath the 50% line on any generic intelligence measuring criteria someone makes up.

[-] ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago

I agree, I took a few IQ tests and scored high and initially it made me wonder is if everyone else was as concerned as I was watching our species being driven into early graves for yearly profit projections.

Suffice to say, most people I met who scored high lacked the foresight to even think we might be screwed. Which led me to a swift conclusion that your IQ doesn’t mean jack squat, it was a biased system that was simply a biased form of dick measuring.

Perhaps I’m disillusioned, but the best summary of our species is that old video of a chimpanzee in a zoo pissing in its mouth.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 19 points 1 year ago

Many IQ tests, even ones that claim to be scientific, and especially free ones, artificially inflate the scores they give, to encourage the people taking them to purchase an in-depth analysis of their results.

Like, "Your IQ is 135! That's well above average! For $39.99, we'll give you this in-depth, 18 page question by question analysis showing how you stacked up against everyone else, and what your answers mean!"

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[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 27 points 1 year ago

I love the entire story, then your very solid and succinct answer

[-] Kahlenar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Ahhhh the GOAT. Seriously, as a smart kid everything else about me was ignored. Something wrong at school? You CAN do it, so just do it. D&D breaks up mental stats, but there's even more out there. Int, Wis, Cha to start. Then there's motivation, happiness, and empathy, and more. The mind is super complex and an int score of 18 being all that matters is like the saying "this hammer solves my nail problem, it will surely solve my window problem."

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Lol dude is asking for scientific way to define "dumbness" in a world with infinity stones and flying people

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 year ago

Thanos selected the 50% luckiest people. That's good for everyone!

Larry Niven enters the chat

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Love the tag.

and good Asimov story thanks

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[-] contextual_somebody@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

Yeah, because it’s so morally defensible to eliminate all of the developmentally disabled and republicans.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

rip grandma

[-] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

cougheugenicscough

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[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hang on, do you mean “with the least capacity to be smart,” or is he killing all the babies and children?

[-] Poik@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago

I mean, the average newborn is smarter than the average politician, so maybe it's not as bad as we think.

[-] GnomeKat 21 points 1 year ago

Bruh babies cant even talk or have object permanence, don't try to spin that as being smart.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Would they have all still fought against him?

I know this is No Stupid Questions but...come on.

Why on Earth would the Avengers react any differently? Is the assumption that they're morally bankrupt enough to actually reconsider in this scenario? That somehow letting "stupid" people be murdered is ever, in any way, acceptable?

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[-] MTK@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

The real question is which avengers would be gone. Putting my money on Thor

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thor, Starlord, Drax, and Mantis would all be toast. Steve, Bucky, and Falcon are tossups because I think their intelligence is supposed to be about average.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily any Avengers would be gone.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

If Thor is on the upper half of intelligence in his kind then...

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I think the whole 50% depopulation is a flawed premise, of the hundred of thousands of years modern humans have existed that would throw total population back to... 1970

[-] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago

Yup. His movie motivation was dumbed down. The whole resources thing is stupid for exactly this reason.

In the comics, Thanos became infatuated with the Marvel Universe incarnation of Death. ...And naturally he figured that if he killed half the universe at once, he'd get her attention. (cause girls love it when a boy makes a huge amount of work for them...)

Anyway, his plan was still moronic, but "manchild does stupid thing to impress girl" is a classic for a reason.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It wasn't just humans, it was the whole universe. He wasn't concerned with how each individual species' populations would fluctuate, he just had a solution in his head and went with it.

Ya know, the "mad Titan" thing.

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[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it largely depends on his definition of “dumb”…. Given he’s already committed to wiping out half of all life, I’d consider his mental facilities to be of questionable intellect already. His idea of who is dumb may be similarly questionable…

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago

Then we know he would have killed all of GOTG

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 20 points 1 year ago

Dude, he killed Vision and Gamora and other people close to the member of Avengers, no way they gonna let him off the hook.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why couldn't Thanos just wish for unlimited resources? Or universal peace? Or literally any number of things that would have solved the problems he was trying to solve without anyone getting hurt or never existing? His method was stupid.

[-] DudeBro@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I think that the motive should be allowed to be dumb, and their mistake was making Thanos appear lucid and competent. They really should have leaned into "the mad titan" thing and made him act more like an unhinged despot.

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[-] people@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

His method was stupid

He would be part of the dumbest 50%.

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[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I don't think the hulk would have reacted at all, since he'd be gone. But does that mean Banner would stay somehow?

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Hulk is not dumb, he just was born 30 years later than Banner.

We know that given the time Hulk also proves to Bea genius of his own.

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[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That leaves an interesting situation for Bruce banner/the hulk

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

Ant-Man: Well come on, wait, you know, there are different kinds of intelligence, right? Please someone tell me I'm not making that up.

[-] Poob@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Thanos was a fucking stupid character in the MCU. The human population is currently doubling every 61 years with a growth rate of about 1.14%. Assuming similar numbers across the galaxy, he didn't do anything except cause suffering. He's a very poorly written villain.

I guess to stay on topic, they would have looked at population growth, and determined that his plan was moronic, and fought him.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You killed all of our kids!

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Thanos could have literally chosen 1000 other options that were better than killing 50% of all living things, and I'm sure nobody would have disagreed!

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[-] Drusenija@lemmy.drusenija.com 10 points 1 year ago

What would make this question more interesting is can you think of any metric where they would flip, or at least consider it. For example, all the members of Hydra (a bad example, would never make 50%, but you get the idea).

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago

would’ve still fought him because their job isn’t to stop evil, it’s to maintain the status quo

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