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I know it's an odd question, but where I live phones get stolen often. My phone doesn't have the option for an eSim, which is a problem because 90% of the time when a thief steals a phone they take out the SIM card immediately, meaning I wouldn't be able to remotely lock or wipe my phone.

Should I consider glueing the SIM tray shut? Or are there alternative less permanent measures I can take to keep my device secure?

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[-] Creddit@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Don’t glue it shut, paint it shut with an acrylic paint or nail polish. Try to stick to the surface with the paint - you could even paint it to cover it/obscure it’s location as well.

This way, if you ever need to remove it you can delicately dab acetone over it to dissolve the acrylic and it will open once again!

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

This is amazing! Thank you, I will definitely be painting it closed.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 47 points 1 year ago

SIM cards do sometimes malfunction, so if that happens and you glued it in you're kinda screwed.

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

This is also true, maybe there's another non permanent way of doing this? I only need the SIM card in the device when it's stolen long enough for me to remotely wipe the device

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Well, either you glue it, and if you ever need to switch the SIM, you buy a new phone. Or you buy a new phone with eSIM support now.

I guess the only other option is to have a case that's hard to get off to buy you some time?

[-] simple@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

There isn't really a point to that. The very first thing thieves do is turn off the phone so you can't track it. They'll then usually format your phone and sell it. Best you can do is set up a secure password and not show any info on the lock screen so they at least wouldn't be able to access your stuff.

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

True, but in my country and in my experience the first thing they do is remove the SIM card so that you can't track it, if it's an android which it is in my case.

I've got a secure password and no details on the lock screen but I'd just like to try protect myself even more

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Samsung devices require the unlock pattern/code to be shut down.

[-] papalonian@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Umm.. no they don't? You need a password to unlock it after restarting it but you absolutely can turn the phone off without a password. I'm on my 3rd Samsung device and have never entered a password to shut any of them off.

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[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

and thiefs will just throw it into a faraday cage to block the signal immediately.

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Not in my country lol, they're not that smart

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Not in my country lol, they're not that smart

[-] nottheengineer@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Amd what do they do if the battery runs out? Suspend to disk?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Depending on how they get stolen, I'd carry a decoy.

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Not a bad idea actually. I do have a work phone which I could hand over but if I get frisked they'll find the personal phone anyways

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

....What awful country is this, that your phone gets stolen?

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago
[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Never seen or heard of it happening since screen locks became common.

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[-] Surreal@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

But what about a decoy for the decoy?

[-] Wisely@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

That actually worked for me once. Handed over my old Nokia brick phone and kept my Motorola flip lol.

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 11 points 1 year ago

The federal government has had difficulty dealing with modern locked phones. The sim isn't integral to the security of the device, it's just a pointer for the carrier to route calls to. A modern phone with whole system encryption and a strong password is going to be protected against most everyone including nation state actors.

The only real advisory I like to put out with regards to phones is the same as most other devices, don't reuse passwords and for two factor ideally use something other than email or SMS which makes it far more difficult to get the second factor.

The other thing that's kind of a 'best practice' is using a password rather than any kind of biometric. The reason there is last I'd read (in the USA) the current legal guidance is that while authorities can compelle someone to put a finger on a screen or look at the device, they cannot compelle them to open the contents of their mind (forced testimony) due to the 5th amendment protections. Of course that kind of thing is more related to legal situations rather than lost/stolen devices.

[-] Melody@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I might recommend using something like tape. Extra Strong Clear Tape.

You may also want to invest in a phone case; preferably an opaque and waterproof one that is difficult to remove.

There are apps available on F-Droid like PrivateLock which might help too; this will automate locking your phone if it's snatched from your hands suddenly.

Last thing I can say is to use a short screen timeout and a strong password to unlock the phone.

[-] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

Private Lock also hasn't been updated for four years :(

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[-] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To actually answer your question:
Super glue would be a decent option. You should only need one drop to secure the tray.

If you ever need to open the tray again, wet the area with isopropyl alcohol for a few minutes, and it should pop right open without damage. If you get too much resistance, add more alcohol and wait a little longer.

There is also a 2-part epoxy with similar performance called "Doubkr Bubble" that also dissolves with alcohol, but it's definitely overkill for a SIM tray.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

If you can open it, they can open it. There's not much of a point if it's something you can undo.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Same deal as putting a lock on a door. Buys time

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. I'm looking to buy time not to completely bar access

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[-] turddle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It at least provides resistance to the immediate removal of the card. I doubt most thieves are running around with readily available solvents. Could provide enough time to remotely lock or wipe as OP said

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A better option would be to use a good password generally and the built-in lost device functions like Find my iPhone, Google Find my Device or Samsung Find my Mobile.

If you're using Android, and want a separate app that can lock down your device outside of the built-in functionality, among a ton of other features:
I used to use Cerberus years ago for that security before that functionality was really built in. It is a side loaded app that allows remote tracking, lockdown, etc. and functions as a system app. They have a version of the apk that is listed as "System Framework" with a stock Android icon and as well to hide in the app listing. You can have it hide the app and access it via a dialer code as well for added security. When I used it, you could have it take photos to send to your email with location data for incorrect login attempts, send messages to the device to display while lost, etc. www.cerberusapp.com

[-] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Still no use if the SIM gets pulled, therefore losing connectivity and rendering any Find My Device app useless. Unless I'm missing something?

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[-] Extrasvhx9he@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean on average theyll just turn it off and then try to factory reset it later which will remove your data if there isnt an exploit. What i do since I have the same problem, is just not keep any data on my phone the same goes for accounts but I see that might not be for everyone. Assuming your phone is fully updated a long passphrase, think stock android limits to 17 characters, should be enough to keep out the average drug addict. Be mindful of your surroundings, dont fight back unless they try kidnapping you and use lockdown mode or fully restart your device when you go to a shady area. Curious what device do you have?

Edit: what you should be more worried about are the assholes that force you to unlock it and then empty out your bank through the countless digital payment methods. Arming yourself would be the answer for that

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[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Some phones including Samsung are encrypted by default.

Don't keep data on your device you don't need and use the encryption.

[-] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

that doesn't help with sim removal. sim swaps are stuff are a thing and honestly more of a concern than data exfiltration.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

"meaning I wouldn’t be able to remotely lock or wipe my phone". The original post indicated data was the issue. If they want to get the sim out and wipe it, they will. Need to solve the problem (data loss).

[-] Lemmchen@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Have you thought about using a strong unlock method, so they can not gain access to your data in the first place (if all you want to do is wipe it)?

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[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Thiefs just throw phones into faraday cages to block all access immediately, then they fiddle with it at home. You're pretty much screwed either way.

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Source? Because I have many videos as evidence showing thieves throw SIM cards out of the window of their escape vehicle, so that seems to be the common one here

[-] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 5 points 1 year ago

Phones have a unique equipment identifier number (IMEI) that they share with towers. Changing SIM changes the subscriber ID (IMSI) but not the IMEI (manufacturers don't make it easy to change the IMEI). So thieves (and anyone else) with the phone could be tracked by the IMEI anyway even if they do that, while leaving the phone on.

In practice, the bigger reason they don't get caught every time if they have inadequate opsec practices is that in places where phone thefts are common, solving them is probably not a big priority for local police. Discarding the SIM probably doesn't make much difference to whether they get caught.

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

If I really had such a concern I'd use a Linux phone, e.g PinePhone or PinePhone Pro, and I would program it so that unless a certain command has been ran, if it boots or stay too long (e.g 1s) without a SIM then it deletes sensitive data.

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Or a rooted android.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

You could just set a Sim pin

[-] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I have a SIM pin.... how does having a SIM pin stop them from taking the device offline by removing the SIM?....

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