Teams is already such a bloated fucking mess of an application.
I've gone back and forth with my opinion on Teams, but now I agree with you. Earlier there was a lot of shit talk about it, and it just worked for me with no problems. After all of the additional bloat (now we have Copilot in it) it crashes all the time.
It never crashes for me - because I have to use the browser PWA app, because the native app doesn't work on Linux that great.
On the other hand, the UX is absolutely terrible.
The native app for Linux is no longer supported anyway. PWA is the only official way now.
And yes the UX is terrible. Especially the search function, it always finds unrelated things and almost never what I'm looking for. Same thing with Outlook (the real outlook and the 'new' one), OneNote and Sharepoint.
It is my #1 and pretty much only usecase for copilot. I think copilot for office is not great but searching for my stuff it does do very well. Paying $30 a month to fix something that should have worked in the first place is a bit mad though.
You might just not be noticing the crashes because it likes to restart silently. I'll only notice it because sometimes it happens when teams is active on my other monitor and it auddenly disappears. Might be auto update, or maybe even a "we know this app gets worse over time so let's just restart it regularly as a solution".
Yeah people hated it for being Microsoft for such a long time that by the time it actually sucked people had been crying wolf for so long it was hard to believe.
To me it has always sucked compared to something like Slack. It has really low information density for example with its huge bubbles around everything. Multi-tenant switching was a really slow and painful process unlike slack which simply has a sidebar for quick switching, and it creates a huge garbage dump in sharepoint when people upload stuff to a chat.
I can't disagree about multi-tenant, I just used Firefox containers for that because it was only for working with vendors so it wasn't always on. I think they fixed that in 2022 give or take. The file thing is common with slack, there's still a garbage dump of files.
I think the information density is a matter of taste. Given the popularity of google products, macos, and gnome and that sort of thing, its safe to say there is a huge market for people who prefer giant whitespace to actual content.
Teams is trash, electron is a miscarriage of an idea, and M$ is totally morally bankrupt.
Shocker.
Electron is amazing, for smaller teams, individuals or whatever BUT a trillion dollar company cutting corners on native apps, even for their own platform... come on
So people will know in which company building you're in? Who gives a shit lol
The problem is they'll know when your not in a company building. So people can't WFH even though their boss isn't watching them at the office anyway.
That sounds like an issue with the the arrangement between the employee and employer to me.
Yeah, but not everyone has the flexibility to just hop to a different job the second their current one becomes unsatisfactory. Some people have to make do with what they've got.
It sounds like you are defending taking an in person job with the intent to deceive your employer by working at home. Because I still fail to see a circumstance where it would be a problem unless the employee is trying to be deceitful to work from someplace unauthorized.
If there's no reason for them to need to be in the office other than that their middle managers don't know how to do their job remotely then you're damn right I'm defending it. If you need a teams notification to know your reports aren't working from the office then it means they've been getting their work done from home and there's no reason they need to be there. Many places went WFH during Covid and are now dragging their workers back to the office needlessly. Stop bootlicking for corpos.
If you're outright refusing company rules like that then yeah you sorta run the risk of justifiable sacked lol
It's not refusing so much as taking advantage of a grey area. The work is still getting done.
It's not very grey if they've been told to get into the office and they aren't doing that
It's grey if their boss can't tell if they're there or not without a Teams notification. Stupid rules are meant to be ignored.
So it's grey the same way speed limits are? I dunno man, it seems pretty clear cut to me
Well speeding can arguably make driving more dangerous so not really the same thing. No one is being hurt by people doing the job they can easily do from home, from home. If anything danger is reduced because they're spending less time on the roads. Stop bootlicking.
I don't give a shit if you're breaking your company's orders or rules. I just think it's silly to pretend like it's a grey area
You not working?
AWS down
Oh ok, don't worry
And somehow their implementation of e911 will still not work.
I don't get it. Why would it matter that Teams knows where you are working? If you need to hide from your coworkers or your boss then maybe it's time to change company?
On the other hand: if Teams is using Wifi to correlate your position you could mess with it by exchanging the access point positions, ie exchange your bosses AP with the one in the cellar.
I can see one legitimate application for this, specifically for accountability during an emergency. It's one more thing to tell whomever is checking where to look for people and only if it's actually reliable. I doubt that it would be reliable enough.
Yes, I wouldn't go so far and trust MS applications in emergency cases :D
The company your work for is Microsoft's biggest client - not you.. Not even you if you use Windows on your own home computer. Use Linux at home, use Linux at work if you can.
My boss knows I work from home. Get wrecked Teams
What if you change your SSID to match your work's WiFi?
Wait who was getting away with working from home when their boss thinks they're in the office anyway? Is that a thing in big companies??
My entire agency is like 10 people so we all work in the same room (it is hell, the marketing trio are the most annoying fuckers on earth) so they'd definitely know if I was WFH so this makes no difference to me.
So... no change?
Glad I work at a place that wouldn't give a fuck as long as I'm getting shit done. This sort of bullshit undermines how people feel about work and likely harms productivity more than it helps (as is tradition with micromanaging people instead of setting them up for success and giving them the space they need to do their job).
Also, people who actually are slacking will find so many ways around this anyhow that it won't actually matter to them because they already don't care and are probably smart enough to get around it.
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